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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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300E by merc1
Nov 10, 2005 (9:18 pm)
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Well guys I didn't say that the 300E was "inspiring" or that it was better than Audi's styling at the time. I said that it was the car that got me interested in the Mercedes-Benz brand. Compared to the brand of car I liked most then the 300E was very much different. I had already known about and liked Audi before really having anything to do with a Mercedes.
 
Secondly, bland, vanilla etc...to each his own I guess. To me the W124 E-Class was a timeless design that still looks good today. Especially the 1994-1995 facelifted models.
 
You have to remember that the SL that roamed the streets in the 80's was a design that came out in 1971! Now the SL after that, the R129 that ran from 1990-2002 was another favorite.
 
Yeah the W124 E was hardly of the swoopy design language that Mercedes has today, thing is though they were hardly considered bland and vanilla back in their day. Its really easy to judge an old design by today's standards and call it bland.
 
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Re: 300E [merc1] by garyh1
Nov 10, 2005 (11:18 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Nov 10, 2005 9:18 pm)

Merc, I understand exactly what you are saying about your "epiphany" with the 300E. It definitely made a statement that was very different from the American cars of the day. It was perhaps staid in its design, but its looks fit with the "solid as a tank" reputation that MB had (and deserved) then. Yet if you read the reviews of this car (such as on mercedesshop.com, the source of the pic which oac posted) you will all see that it was a fun car to drive as well: "These cars possess a handling feel that is almost unrivaled in the Mercedes Benz lineup. The tossable, nimble, almost 4-door go-kart feel is truly a joy. The fact that this is coupled with a wonderfully smooth ride and precise steering make the driving experience that much more enjoyable."
 
As a young lawyer, I myself went with an Audi 5000S back then (1980?), but if I could have afforded a 300E I would have bought it in a minute. And I would probably still have it now, that's how good a car they were. In contrast, the Audi blew a rod before it was 5 years old.
 
In those days, with an MB you actually did get what you paid for....
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Re: 300E [garyh1] by ljflx
Nov 11, 2005 (6:55 am)
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Replying to: garyh1 (Nov 10, 2005 11:18 pm)

Merc, I can see what you mean. The SL was the car that did it for me but that classic front end with the grill on every other MB was really the definition of the brand from a style perspective. Looking at 1960-s thru 80's Benz models - even today - is like looking at the movie Casablanca for the 50th time. You know what will happen but the acting is so great you still have to watch.
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Re: 300E [ljflx] by michael_mattox
Nov 11, 2005 (8:44 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Nov 11, 2005 6:55 am)

I would have to say the SL did it for me also...I lusted after that car for years (unable to afford it)...When I could afford it I found I didn't fit in it comfortably...and found a new love the Cady Allante and did buy one and had it for 10 years...
 
I liked that car so much..I remember when I first got it, I would pass a BMW Convertable or an SL and feel sorry for the poor guy driving it...Silly I know. My Allante still looked fresh in 03 when I sold it.
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Re: 300E [michael_mattox] by lexusguy
Nov 11, 2005 (9:03 am)
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Replying to: michael_mattox (Nov 11, 2005 8:44 am)

"I liked that car so much..I remember when I first got it, I would pass a BMW Convertable or an SL and feel sorry for the poor guy driving it..."
 
Somehow, I bet they felt the exact same way about you.
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Re: 300E [michael_mattox] by syswei
Nov 11, 2005 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: michael_mattox (Nov 11, 2005 8:44 am)

I'm wondering if Cadillac might be the marque merc1 lusted after before he latched on to MB. Any comment, merc1?
 
You guys will laugh when I admit that back in the late 70s I actually liked the exterior styling of the AMC Pacer.
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Re: 300E [merc1] by lexusguy
Nov 11, 2005 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Nov 10, 2005 9:18 pm)

"Its really easy to judge an old design by today's standards and call it bland."
 
Well, there's bad old design, and old design that really was so gorgeous that its still amazing today. There's only one American car in the history of US auto that I've ever really thought was goregous, the original 1953 Corvette. A few of the T-birds were pretty good, but they never measured up to that first Vette.
 
My love of English cars was kindled by stunners like the XK120 and Aston DB4. Those cars look just as good today as they did then. By '71 auto design went seriously down hill, and by '85 it was basically dead and buried.
 
Somebody at Aston Martin actually thought this...thing looked good:
Aston Martin Bulldog
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Re: 300E [syswei] by oac
Nov 11, 2005 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: syswei (Nov 11, 2005 9:09 am)

You guys will laugh when I admit that back in the late 70s I actually liked the exterior styling of the AMC Pacer.
 
To the contrary, syswei, my all-time favorite American car (I am not American, if you haven't already guessed) was the '70s Mercury Monarch. That car was elegant, stately, rich-looking, and had a commanding presence on the road. A car driven by US ambassadors globally, at least in the '70s. I lusted after that car, and promised myself if I ever had any money, that's the car for me. Of course, I was barely 12 yrs old by this time, so much for been a car fan that early.
 
In the '80s, it was MB bcos every rich person had one. But by the '90s, MB was off the radar for me. Why ? Bcos it represented old money, to me. It represented everything I wanted to forget. Regardless of how beautiful and graceful the cars are, MB as a brand belongs in the past. Nothing against them really... Lexus was the new kid on the block...I was impressed by their reliable and conservative outlook to their cars. And they bucked the old-timers. That was the deal breaker... That a starter could kick the behind of the old guard. I love that about them. And remain loyal to that brand, for now. The brand that intrigues me the most is BMW. Despite their long history, they remain *new* in my eyes. If only I could sub-consciously overcome my fear of their reliablity issues, I'd buy one. And therein lies the dilemna. I do not want the Bangled ones, and scared of buying the older models (whose style I believe are timeless) due to... well... reliability concerns. Who knows...
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Re: 300E [oac] by lexusguy
Nov 11, 2005 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: oac (Nov 11, 2005 9:48 am)

BMW actually seems to be the most reliable of the German brands. Compared to some of the worst VWs, even the 7 series could be considered a reliability all-star.
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Re: 300E [syswei] by ljflx
Nov 11, 2005 (4:33 pm)
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Replying to: syswei (Nov 11, 2005 9:09 am)

Nah - I think Buick was his first love.

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