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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#11107 of 24726 Re: Just a Thought.. [merc1]
Nov 07, 2005 (7:41 am)
When is all this hype going to catch up with reality? If the Germans aren't putting a 6-disc CD changer in the dash at this point it is because they aren't trying to. To suggest that the simply can't is beyond ridiculous. FYI, certain Mercedes models have in-dash 6-disc CD changers and have had them for years!
As usual, you castigate every dissenting viewpoint to yours... Hype, wannabe, envy, etc.. Here is a simple factoid for you: can you tell us which MB has had an in-dash CD changer for years and are sold here in the US ???
Secondly the only German luxury car that I know of with a CD-ROM based Nav system is the big VW, and that may have changed for 2005-2006.
Does your fav MB with Nav require a disc (CD, DVD) in the drive to run ? or does it not ?
German cars have never been defined by CD changers and Nav systems, something that Japanese luxury cars wear on their sleeves like some kind of advancement of the automobile.
Of course. German cars were never defined by cup holders either, but they do now, eh ? Maybe the point escapes you: that the Germans think CD changers deserve to be in the trunk, while a $15K KIA can put one in-dash. I chose Kia, a Korean car as an example here. I could have chosen a Ford ZX3, which is even cheaper at $11K.... And please note that luxury car makers don't brag about having an in-dash CD changer, but it sure sucks if your $60K+ car cannot even provide a basic feature you'd find in far less cars ??? That's the point....
#11108 of 24726 Re: Just a Thought.. [oac]
Nov 07, 2005 (8:11 am)
As usual, you castigate every dissenting viewpoint to yours... Hype, wannabe, envy, etc
Not only do you appear confused but you also seem somewhat hostile?
#11109 of 24726 Re: Just a Thought.. [dewey]
Nov 07, 2005 (9:30 am)
WHAT electronics do you think the german cars ...S class, 7 series...has that my 01 LS430 ultra doesn't have?
#11110 of 24726 Re: Just a Thought.. [syswei]
Nov 07, 2005 (9:37 am)
Thanks syswei for the links!
They do show there are issues with certain MB bulbs!
In addition VW has some issues with certain models.
BUT this is a far cry from what was repeated in this forum yesterday that buying a German car involves replacing bulbs every few months!
That would be like pointing out certain past transmission issues with the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord and then claiming that all Japanese cars have transmission issues!
#11112 of 24726 Re: Just a Thought.. [dewey]
Nov 07, 2005 (9:49 am)
I looked at Consumer Reports as you suggested (April 05 car issue)...Corolla and the LS both get great marks for everything BUT...Corolla is not as good as the LS...
02 Corolla...1/2 red for brakes, body integrity, paint, power equip, body hardware...NO BLACK, 1/2 BLACK or even avg.....Bright all red for Electrical
02 LS....1/2 red for brakes and power equipment...NEVER A BLACK, 1/2 BLACK or even AVG...Also ALL RED for electrical.
Just for fun I looked at BMW 7 series...
02 BMW 7 series.
All Black for electrical and power equipment...1/2 black for ignition...AVG. for body hardware, and fuel...1/2 red for engine, air conditioning, brakes, paint, body integrity...
#11113 of 24726 Re: Just a Thought.. [dewey]
Nov 07, 2005 (9:50 am)
I wonder what is causing this bulb problem. My neighbor has a Range Rover and I asked him if he's had any problems and he said he has replaced both of his headlights in a year. Faulty design or faulty bulbs?
#11114 of 24726 Re: Just a Thought.. [michael_mattox]
Nov 07, 2005 (10:05 am)
It would be more worthwhile to focus on the electronics that are in the new MB S compareed to the new Lexus LS! Yesteday's electronics from 01 is so historic and it makes no sense to compare the updated electronics of a 7 series to an 01 LS.
Since I will not be buying either an S or a LS I do not have the info filed away. (all my files I have are related to the BMW3/5 series)
So I will get back to you when I do my research!
#11115 of 24726 Re: Just a Thought.. [dewey]
Nov 07, 2005 (10:09 am)
I am looking at Consumer Reports back to 97...Not a single score other then ALL RED for Transmissions On any Toyota in any of those years...Where are you getting your information?
The honda had a transmission problem in the Odyssey in 99 that is the only Honda that ever had a Transmission problem going back to 97 and it was only for that one year...Except the 01 accord that scored avg. for that one year.
#11116 of 24726 Re: Just a Thought.. [ljflx]
Nov 07, 2005 (10:11 am)
Faulty design or faulty bulbs?
Unfortunately both are a source of frustration for an owner and can diminish the reputation of any vehicle(luxury or non-luxrury)