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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#11101 of 24723 Re: Just a Thought.. [oac] by merc1

Nov 07, 2005 (6:24 am)

Replying to: oac (Nov 06, 2005 9:09 pm)
Stay on the topic you know most about - BMW - and not about electronics. The Corolla is more reliable than the LS ? You gotta be kidding, right ? Like Len said, the LS is an electronic marvel... it's got it all, yet ranks as one of (if not the) most reliable sedan, bar none... That the Germans can't seem to put a CD changer in-dash (instead of the trunk), that they cannot seem to get a Nav that does not require you to have its CD in the Nav drive to run. Puleazeeee....
  
Japan makes electronic gadgetry and wizadry look like child's play. Making all these work seemlessly is a piece of cake to them as well. Call me when BMW or MB can simply create an in-dash CD changer that a $15K Kia already does, then we'll talk electronics.... I mean simple electronics...
 
When is all this hype going to catch up with reality? If the Germans aren't putting a 6-disc CD changer in the dash at this point it is because they aren't trying to. To suggest that the simply can't is beyond ridiculous. FYI, certain Mercedes models have in-dash 6-disc CD changers and have had them for years!
 
Secondly the only German luxury car that I know of with a CD-ROM based Nav system is the big VW, and that may have changed for 2005-2006. I have no argument about Germans being inferior to the Japanese on electronics and the integration of them, but at the very least you could get the fact straight before posting such bogus claims.
 
German cars have never been defined by CD changers and Nav systems, something that Japanese luxury cars wear on their sleeves like some kind of advancement of the automobile. That is where the pluheaazee comes in at.
 
M

#11102 of 24723 Re: Mercedes-Benz vs Lexus - The Sequel [merc1] by lexusguy

Nov 07, 2005 (6:37 am)

Replying to: merc1 (Nov 07, 2005 6:16 am)
What about from a size standpoint, if not price? Wont it be bigger than cars like the A4 Cabrio or 330 convertible? It also seems like its attempting to look like a CLK, at least from the rear 3\4 view.

#11103 of 24723 Re: Mercedes-Benz vs Lexus - The Sequel [lexusguy] by merc1

Nov 07, 2005 (6:49 am)

Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 07, 2005 6:37 am)
I don't think it is, but that is very hard to tell by pics. It uses the Passat/Golf chassis so it could be smaller than the A4 or larger, not sure. Still though I don't think it is aimed at the CLK just by projected price alone. Someone pointed out earlier that the Volvo C70 is most likely the main competitor to the Eos, that may be the case. Neither one of them should be as expensive as a CLK or the next generation 3-Series cabrio.
 
I hope for VW's sake they've given up on this luxury car fantasy because competiting with Mercedes (which they can't do) is mucking up the picture for Audi, and Audi is supposed to be be the volume luxury car brand in the VW Empire.
 
M

#11104 of 24723 Re: Just a Thought.. [brightness04] by merc1

Nov 07, 2005 (6:59 am)

Replying to: brightness04 (Nov 06, 2005 9:10 pm)
It seems quite common that European cars need head light replacement within the first 1 or two years. None of my European cars carried a single one of their factory original head lights beyond the two-year mark. Most encountered the first replacement within the first year of ownership, and the second one followed shortly afterwards.
 
What do you think causes this? The European car I see all the time with a front bulb out is the 1998-2005 Passat. I mean without fail and its usually on the newer 2001 facelifted model. Is this improper sealing of the headlamp assembly or just cheap bulbs or something else?
 
M

#11105 of 24723 Re: Just a Thought.. [oac] by dewey

Nov 07, 2005 (7:01 am)

Replying to: oac (Nov 06, 2005 10:12 pm)
said: Call me when BMW or MB can simply create an in-dash CD changer that a $15K Kia already does...
  
You responded: idrive equipped BMW5 and BMW7 sales have increased this past year !
 
Huh ???? i-Drive and in-dash CD changer are related now ?
 
OAC,
 
You wrote the following:
 
then we'll talk electronics.... I mean simple electronics...
  
We were talking about electronics and German cars in general not CD changers. The whole theme of last night was electronics and German cars not CD changers!
 
 See, the trouble with you and your argument is that they are untenable. Why not just admit your point is pointless...
 
Show me the flaws in my arguments that make them pointless before you claim that they are pointless! It seems you are quite confused about last night's discussion! What is the source of your confusion?
 

#11107 of 24723 Re: Just a Thought.. [merc1] by oac

Nov 07, 2005 (8:41 am)

Replying to: merc1 (Nov 07, 2005 6:24 am)
When is all this hype going to catch up with reality? If the Germans aren't putting a 6-disc CD changer in the dash at this point it is because they aren't trying to. To suggest that the simply can't is beyond ridiculous. FYI, certain Mercedes models have in-dash 6-disc CD changers and have had them for years!
 
As usual, you castigate every dissenting viewpoint to yours... Hype, wannabe, envy, etc.. Here is a simple factoid for you: can you tell us which MB has had an in-dash CD changer for years and are sold here in the US ???
 
Secondly the only German luxury car that I know of with a CD-ROM based Nav system is the big VW, and that may have changed for 2005-2006.
 
Does your fav MB with Nav require a disc (CD, DVD) in the drive to run ? or does it not ?
 
German cars have never been defined by CD changers and Nav systems, something that Japanese luxury cars wear on their sleeves like some kind of advancement of the automobile.
 
Of course. German cars were never defined by cup holders either, but they do now, eh ? Maybe the point escapes you: that the Germans think CD changers deserve to be in the trunk, while a $15K KIA can put one in-dash. I chose Kia, a Korean car as an example here. I could have chosen a Ford ZX3, which is even cheaper at $11K.... And please note that luxury car makers don't brag about having an in-dash CD changer, but it sure sucks if your $60K+ car cannot even provide a basic feature you'd find in far less cars ??? That's the point....

#11108 of 24723 Re: Just a Thought.. [oac] by dewey

Nov 07, 2005 (9:11 am)

Replying to: oac (Nov 07, 2005 8:41 am)
As usual, you castigate every dissenting viewpoint to yours... Hype, wannabe, envy, etc
 
Not only do you appear confused but you also seem somewhat hostile?

#11109 of 24723 Re: Just a Thought.. [dewey] by michael_mattox

Nov 07, 2005 (10:30 am)

Replying to: dewey (Nov 06, 2005 8:14 pm)
DEWEY:
 
WHAT electronics do you think the german cars ...S class, 7 series...has that my 01 LS430 ultra doesn't have?
 
Curious

#11110 of 24723 Re: Just a Thought.. [syswei] by dewey

Nov 07, 2005 (10:37 am)

Replying to: syswei (Nov 07, 2005 3:39 am)
Thanks syswei for the links!
 
They do show there are issues with certain MB bulbs!
 
In addition VW has some issues with certain models.
 
BUT this is a far cry from what was repeated in this forum yesterday that buying a German car involves replacing bulbs every few months!
 
That would be like pointing out certain past transmission issues with the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord and then claiming that all Japanese cars have transmission issues!

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