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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#10680 of 24726 Re: 2007 Lexus LS [lexusguy]
Oct 19, 2005 (11:57 am)
We'll people always bashed Lexus for not having any kind of styling "direction" and that each car just kind of did its own thing. Now they are starting to build some cars with a "family" resemblance, and you're bashing them for that. What should they do?
No I'm not bashing them for having a family resemblance, I'm just wondering if all the MB/Audi detractors that bashed Audi and especially Mercedes for doing the same thing are going to say anything about Lexus doing it. Of course they aren't because just like I said when people here were knocking the A4 and C-Class for looking like scaled down A8s and S-Classes, when Lexus does this it will be seen as some great styling home run. Fast foward, and that is what happened just as I and Lexus said it would do. But just a few years ago right here in this very board the S-Class was devauled because it had a C-Class clone running around, now since Lexus has done the same thing with the LS and IS, its a smart practice. The A8 and A4 are no different from the IS and LS, now. Both sets of cars are nothing more than a scale up/down of the same theme for both brands.
Of course since Lexus has managed to make a LS that doesn't look like poor copy of a Benz the raves are pouring in on the other board with the S being dated and what not. Benz had better knock off 20K from the price or tweak the S before it goes on sale here, nevermind the fact that it is already on sale in Europe so it would be impossible to "tweak" it for the U.S. market as far as styling goes. Such hype I haven't read a quite a while. It's 1989 all over again and yet even in 1989 Benz and everyone else went on doing what they're going to do in 2006, sell cars. This end of the world talk is really beyond silly at this point, imo.
#10681 of 24726 Re: S v. LS [jrock65]
Oct 19, 2005 (12:00 pm)
Well I think its pretty much what Lexusguy stated, they'll place the LS460 in between the S450 and S500 in terms of hp like the current car in relation to the S430 and S500. A smart practice imo. I expect the hybrid LS to be priced closer to the S500/750Li.
Oct 19, 2005 (1:30 pm)
IMO a nice looking car, and will give us something to look forward to....I do have a question and it is ` Do you think the exaust will come out of the bumper as I assume the openings in the rear bumper are for that???`` It would seem that the gasses and soot would collect there if it does....If it doesn`t then the sleekness will be a bit impaired....This willl be fun as it unfolds Tony
#10683 of 24726 Re: splendid [anthonyp]
Oct 19, 2005 (1:35 pm)
Not to mention the heat could melt part of the bumper covering. Is is a concept, so maybe the real car will have normal pipes.
#10684 of 24726 Re: 2007 Lexus LS pictures! [lexusguy]
Oct 19, 2005 (2:26 pm)
Would sure hope the new Lexus design concept, as applied to the LS, will allow for better interior space utilization. You'd need to be built like a Hobbit to sit in the rear seating of the GS/IS(moreso). My guess is that this new LS will be more appealing "in the metal" and wonder if the new interior takes cues from the GS.
The last area for discussion here will center on the driving dynamics of this new car... over-nannied like the GS? Would also guess this car will impact MB/Audi/Jag more than BMW if the driving experience tilts heavily toward insulated luxury. Have heard, however, that the new S-Class is more in the realm of the 750i, so maybe MB will play up drivability with their new V8's.
#10685 of 24726 Re: 2007 Lexus LS pictures! [lovemyclk]
Oct 19, 2005 (5:10 pm)
Lexus did not provide a VDIM disable switch on the IS350, so there's very little reason to think that there will be one in the LS.
#10686 of 24726 Re: 2007 Lexus LS pictures! [lovemyclk]
Oct 19, 2005 (5:24 pm)
Would also guess this car will impact MB/Audi/Jag more than BMW if the driving experience tilts heavily toward insulated luxury.
In this segment I cant think of any vehicle that does not tilt towards insulated luxury, including the BMW 7 series. If you want performance buy the BMW M5 instead of the 7 series!! If you want a better driving experience than a BMW M5 then buy a Audi RS4!
So what is my point? Size and weight in my opinion is a drivability-killer. Once you buy cars like the Lexus LS or the MB S , LUXURY and not drivability becomes the priority!
#10687 of 24726 Re: 2007 Lexus LS pictures! [dewey]
Oct 19, 2005 (7:38 pm)
Agree. Thats why the Elise is the ultimate drivers car. It has an engine, wheels, and seats. Anything beyond that would be considered a "frill".
#10688 of 24726 Re: 2007 Lexus LS pictures! [docnukem]
Oct 19, 2005 (8:25 pm)
I like it - but I too see 7 all over the car, past the A pillar......
#10689 of 24726 Re: 2007 Lexus LS pictures! [dewey]
Oct 19, 2005 (10:40 pm)
Once you buy cars like the Lexus LS or the MB S , LUXURY and not drivability becomes the priority!
This is true, but a car doesn't have to be lifeless to drive like the LS430 in order to provide luxury. The S-Class rides just as well, and handles better, but isn't as quiet. Hardly a penalty box.