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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#10675 of 24723 Re: 2007 Lexus LS [merc1] by lexusguy

Oct 19, 2005 (7:50 am)

Replying to: merc1 (Oct 18, 2005 9:27 pm)
We'll people always bashed Lexus for not having any kind of styling "direction" and that each car just kind of did its own thing. Now they are starting to build some cars with a "family" resemblance, and you're bashing them for that. What should they do?
 
The XJ looks almost exactly like the old one. Jaguar took very few chances, and even if it does have a styling advantage over the Lexus, people are not so in love with the Jag's styling as to actually buy it over a Lexus or Mercedes. The A8 is an attractive car, but it still has the "Audi" shape, just in large size, compared to medium (A6) and small (A4). Lexus will also have no trouble selling 10 LS460s for every 1 A8.

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Oct 19, 2005 (10:29 am)

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#10677 of 24723 2007 LS by wbreaux1

Oct 19, 2005 (10:55 am)

I love the pictures; great looking car. Actually I love the styling for the new GS also, and would consider one if it had a larger trunk and more interior room. For those reasons I'm consider an M45 instead. I'm sure this is common knowledge for those regularly on this site, but when is the new LS expected to be out? I'm not sure I can wait that long but it sure is pretty. .

#10678 of 24723 S v. LS by jrock65

Oct 19, 2005 (10:57 am)

So, the question is, should the 2007 LS460 be compared against the 2007 S450 (335hp 4.6L) or the S500 (382hp 5.4L)?

#10679 of 24723 Re: S v. LS [jrock65] by lexusguy

Oct 19, 2005 (12:24 pm)

Replying to: jrock65 (Oct 19, 2005 10:57 am)
My guess is that the LS460 will fall somewhere in between, say around 350-360hp. Cost wise, definitely the S450 (or even S350).

#10680 of 24723 Re: 2007 Lexus LS [lexusguy] by merc1

Oct 19, 2005 (12:57 pm)

Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 19, 2005 7:50 am)
We'll people always bashed Lexus for not having any kind of styling "direction" and that each car just kind of did its own thing. Now they are starting to build some cars with a "family" resemblance, and you're bashing them for that. What should they do?
 
No I'm not bashing them for having a family resemblance, I'm just wondering if all the MB/Audi detractors that bashed Audi and especially Mercedes for doing the same thing are going to say anything about Lexus doing it. Of course they aren't because just like I said when people here were knocking the A4 and C-Class for looking like scaled down A8s and S-Classes, when Lexus does this it will be seen as some great styling home run. Fast foward, and that is what happened just as I and Lexus said it would do. But just a few years ago right here in this very board the S-Class was devauled because it had a C-Class clone running around, now since Lexus has done the same thing with the LS and IS, its a smart practice. The A8 and A4 are no different from the IS and LS, now. Both sets of cars are nothing more than a scale up/down of the same theme for both brands.
 
Of course since Lexus has managed to make a LS that doesn't look like poor copy of a Benz the raves are pouring in on the other board with the S being dated and what not. Benz had better knock off 20K from the price or tweak the S before it goes on sale here, nevermind the fact that it is already on sale in Europe so it would be impossible to "tweak" it for the U.S. market as far as styling goes. Such hype I haven't read a quite a while. It's 1989 all over again and yet even in 1989 Benz and everyone else went on doing what they're going to do in 2006, sell cars. This end of the world talk is really beyond silly at this point, imo.
 
M

#10681 of 24723 Re: S v. LS [jrock65] by merc1

Oct 19, 2005 (1:00 pm)

Replying to: jrock65 (Oct 19, 2005 10:57 am)
Well I think its pretty much what Lexusguy stated, they'll place the LS460 in between the S450 and S500 in terms of hp like the current car in relation to the S430 and S500. A smart practice imo. I expect the hybrid LS to be priced closer to the S500/750Li.
 
M

#10682 of 24723 splendid by anthonyp

Oct 19, 2005 (2:30 pm)

IMO a nice looking car, and will give us something to look forward to....I do have a question and it is ` Do you think the exaust will come out of the bumper as I assume the openings in the rear bumper are for that???`` It would seem that the gasses and soot would collect there if it does....If it doesn`t then the sleekness will be a bit impaired....This willl be fun as it unfolds Tony

#10683 of 24723 Re: splendid [anthonyp] by syswei

Oct 19, 2005 (2:35 pm)

Replying to: anthonyp (Oct 19, 2005 2:30 pm)
Not to mention the heat could melt part of the bumper covering. Is is a concept, so maybe the real car will have normal pipes.

#10684 of 24723 Re: 2007 Lexus LS pictures! [lexusguy] by lovemyclk

Oct 19, 2005 (3:26 pm)

Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 18, 2005 9:00 pm)
Would sure hope the new Lexus design concept, as applied to the LS, will allow for better interior space utilization. You'd need to be built like a Hobbit to sit in the rear seating of the GS/IS(moreso). My guess is that this new LS will be more appealing "in the metal" and wonder if the new interior takes cues from the GS.
 
The last area for discussion here will center on the driving dynamics of this new car... over-nannied like the GS? Would also guess this car will impact MB/Audi/Jag more than BMW if the driving experience tilts heavily toward insulated luxury. Have heard, however, that the new S-Class is more in the realm of the 750i, so maybe MB will play up drivability with their new V8's.

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