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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#10621 of 24723 Re: Land Rover [ljflx] by merc1

Oct 14, 2005 (7:03 pm)

Replying to: ljflx (Oct 14, 2005 2:48 pm)
First of all I don't understand why Lexus even enters the discussion. It's a simple POV re this S-class design and has nothing to do with Lexus in any way. So trying to create a new series of flame posts re the two brands accomplishes nothing and is downright silly so I won't even go there.
 
My point is not to start another debate about Lexus and Mercedes, its just that I don't see how anyone who fancies any type of Lexus (regarding styling) or LS430 by saying it has a "classic look" can talk about styling. IMO of course anyone that thinks a LS430 has a "classic" look simply doesn't really have a handle on what good looking styling is. It would be like me slamming an Japanese luxury brand for reliability when Mercedes is lacking that area. I wouldn't have any room to talk.
 
Thirdly - they were deeply influenced by BMW to the point that they gave you a BMW interior. Enough said there.
 
Actually there is nothing being said in that because the wheel arches and overall look of the car have nothing to do with the interior looking like a BMW. There are no BMW cues on the exterior of the new S. The interior yes, not even I can deny that, but the exterior is Mercedes/Maybach with some out of here wheel arches thrown in.
 
Lastly - it seems that no one who drives a Lexus can say anything bad about a Mercedes without it inflaming you - so I'll stop posting my opinion about the looks of this car or any of their new designs on this board with this post.
 
No true, witness Lexusguy. Its the left-field stuff (which is usually posted here) I take exception to. My thing is that I find it unbelievable to knock Mercedes for something your fav can't ever get right. Then there are the far out theories about who influenced who when there is no evidence to support it - when it comes to the S' wheel arches. I mean really how could some wheel arches be the influence of BMW? They don't look like anything on any BMW in production or proposed.
 
I don't want you to stop posting your opinion on styling, I just won't debate it with you because we won't ever agree there. No need to stop posting, because we've been disagreeing since 2001! Or as Colin Powell said about the U.S. and France, "we've been in marriage counseling for 200 years".
 
One thing I have always wondered is that with all your love for MB, how come you never chose one - even a pre-owned one, which are dirt cheap where I live - for your needs. Obviously you saw better value elsewhere. If I loved a brand the way you do and admire everything they do I couldn't resist owning something they make - even if it were 4 or 5 years old. If I couldn't afford a new one I certainly would have bought a pre-owned one by now.
 
I think we've had that conversation before. Other things are more important to me than having a Mercedes-Benz, believe it or not. 1997 (the last time I bought a car) was a different time for me personally than 2005 or 2006 is. When I get ready to get a new car it will be a Mercedes or Audi. Sorry if the timeframe doesn't jive with what you think is right. Also, if I haven't mentioned this before I've never been crazy about every single car Mercedes has made in the past.
 
M

#10622 of 24723 Re: Wheel arch look. [scott1256] by merc1

Oct 14, 2005 (7:10 pm)

Replying to: scott1256 (Oct 14, 2005 3:27 pm)
Give me another few months and I may even like the new S in silver!
  
How about you, Merc1?
 
Well I already "like" the car well enough. The European press has declared it the best car in the world already, but like many here they have a problem with the wheel arches. I'm just glad the quality and engineering of the car is much more improved over the current car. For me the wheel arches don't ruin the whole car like the certain things on other Mercedes' like the 2003-2005 CLK. If the wheel arches are much of an issue there is always the AMG Sport package, which much better intergrate with the wheel arches imo. Can't wait to see what the U.S. press will say about the wheel arches...I can already hear them now.
 
M

#10623 of 24723 Re: Land Rover [merc1] by ljflx

Oct 14, 2005 (8:09 pm)

Replying to: merc1 (Oct 14, 2005 7:03 pm)
"its just that I don't see how anyone who fancies any type of Lexus (regarding styling) or LS430 by saying it has a "classic look" can talk about styling."
 
In other words if someone doesn't see it your way or the way a bunch of geeks who think they know it all in auto mags sees things - then they don't know anything about styling. Sure.
 
"Then there are the far out theories about who influenced who when there is no evidence to support it - when it comes to the S' wheel arches."
 
So a major competitor changes pace and the competing company is not influenced?? That's not a far out theory - that is business 101! Let me put it more clearly - BMW enhances their designs from a svelte look to a massive look. MB feels a need to react - the wheel arches are - IMO - part of the response. It was not the result of any copying - it was a reaction to do something as a result of the actions of a competitor. In some cases it is "he said A - I'll say A louder". In others it's "he said A, I'll say B". The wheel arches are the B.
 
" Other things are more important to me than having a Mercedes-Benz, believe it or not"
 
The point is that when you had the opportunity to buy a car you opted for something else rather than the brands you fancy. It comes down to spending I understand - of course. But if you are going to drop - say $25K on a car you can find a new or pre-owned German car or a new or pre-owned something else. You chose the latter and that speaks volumes to me.

#10625 of 24723 Re: Land Rover [ljflx] by denaliinpa

Oct 14, 2005 (9:02 pm)

Replying to: ljflx (Oct 14, 2005 8:09 pm)
whether merc1 drives a MB,a go cart or even a radio flyer i have yet to encounter another individual that knows more about MB than him. his knowledge of the auto industry and MB in particular exceeds that of all of the posters on this board. that speaks volumes to me.
 
just noticed the Audi A8 was rated 9.8 at the top of the page.

#10626 of 24723 Re: Land Rover [denaliinpa] by michael_mattox

Oct 14, 2005 (9:09 pm)

Replying to: denaliinpa (Oct 14, 2005 9:02 pm)
Your Comment speaks volumes to me also.

#10628 of 24723 JIT=Just in TIME by garyh1

Oct 14, 2005 (9:54 pm)

I hesitate to add any more fuel to the fire, especially when people are being relatively civil in their disagreements, but thought you all might be interested in the following article from the current TIME magazine (Global Business Supplement). Yes, that's yours truly quoted in the seventh and last paragraphs. The writer contacted me based on my posts on Edmunds.
 
Hopefully, you all will nevertheless let me continue to be a "bridge of peace" between the G-fans and the J-fans.
 
And since after posting his story on Edmunds' Luxury Performance Sedans board, markcincinnati was offered an improved leasing deal by Audi to walk from his then-pending Infiniti order, maybe MB will give me a free new S to welcome me back into the Benz family - whaddya' think?
Can Mercedes Be a Star Again?

#10629 of 24723 Re: Land Rover [merc1] by garyh1

Oct 14, 2005 (10:17 pm)

Replying to: merc1 (Oct 14, 2005 7:03 pm)
My point is not to start another debate about Lexus and Mercedes, its just that I don't see how anyone who fancies any type of Lexus (regarding styling) or LS430 by saying it has a "classic look" can talk about styling. IMO of course anyone that thinks a LS430 has a "classic" look simply doesn't really have a handle on what good looking styling is. It would be like me slamming an Japanese luxury brand for reliability when Mercedes is lacking that area. I wouldn't have any room to talk.
 
Merc1, while I totally enjoy your posts and respect your knowledge and [most of your] opinions, the basis of this continuing styling jab just misses me. Sure, knock Lexus and call it a styling copycat for the current LS, but to say its styling is so terrible when it so resembles previous generation MBs that you profess to like just makes no sense to me. For example, compare the rears of the LS and the S below. How can you say one is great and the other terrible?
 
PS-- Yes the one on the left is mine.
 

#10630 of 24723 Re: Land Rover [garyh1] by lexusguy

Oct 15, 2005 (12:21 am)

Replying to: garyh1 (Oct 14, 2005 10:17 pm)
You might want to check your hosting\linking there. No pic.

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