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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#10597 of 24726 On the subject of sketches vs final...
Oct 12, 2005 (5:44 am)
I’m thinking of a preliminary sketch of the BMW 6 that was shown around 2000 or 01. Anyone recall seeing it? You can see the DISTINCT resemblance to the production car. However they look really different via shifts in proportions. I have it buried somewhere… will dig it up if I can.
I’m just rambling from one thought to another now, but another example of what subtle changes in proportion and angles mean can be seen in the Infiniti G coupe vs sedan. It never ceases to amaze me how similar yet incredibly different those two versions look to me.
#10598 of 24726 Re: On the subject of sketches vs final... [designman]
Oct 12, 2005 (6:21 am)
I think thats why the G coupe has been so successful, its not just a G sedan with the rear doors chopped off.
Oct 12, 2005 (7:54 am)
I think those flaired wheel wells are just plain UGLY...I think the 04 Mercedes S is far more beautiful.
#10600 of 24726 Re: Land Rover [merc1]
Oct 12, 2005 (2:10 pm)
As you may denote on the top picture, the chrome and arches are possibly going to have a negative impact.....When I was about to get the bmw, I had to steel myself for the possible impolite person who would feel strongly about the bmw design...I concluded that `I could take it`, but I realy don`t think that is the way to design cars...I think that Lexus will follow their `family` look , and I further think it will be good for the purchaser as the resale values will stay strong.....This is such a huge business that if a company misses, the previous purchasers and finance companies are the real loosers...I am sure the Mercedes will drive wonderfully, and if they then get the problems under control they will dominate if the price is competative....Lexus for the first eight or nine years represented a good value...They made their mark that way, and I expect them to continue on that course.....In the mean time I personally am going to give Audi a try, until all this settles down.....Remember the prices are pegged for the first year or so, and Mercedes makes it tough to buy a car.....Tony
#10601 of 24726 Re: Land Rover [michael_mattox]
Oct 12, 2005 (4:12 pm)
"I think those flaired wheel wells are just plain UGLY...I think the 04 Mercedes S is far more beautiful."
#10602 of 24726 Re: Land Rover [lexusguy]
Oct 12, 2005 (4:15 pm)
I liked that interior design the first time I saw it, when it was called the 745i.
I was gonna say the exact same thing! At first glance, I thought it was a BMW 7-Series.....
Oh well.... Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
#10603 of 24726 Re: Land Rover [bdr127]
Oct 12, 2005 (9:44 pm)
Kind of sad that MB is now imitating BMW - used to be the other way around. Anyway, I don't care for it as much as the old one.
#10604 of 24726 girlie car?
Oct 13, 2005 (5:40 am)
I can't remember who it was who called the RX a "girlie car", but there is some data in today's WSJ about the RX400h, their source is JDP....it says that 62% of buyers are men.
#10606 of 24726 Re: Land Rover [ljflx]
Oct 13, 2005 (9:57 am)
Good observation. Just what MB needed—American retro thrown into a club sandwich that already has Japanese and English influence. Throw the RX-8 in there too. I believe they are the ones who started this SUV-fender nonsense. Would be funny if Lexus decided to jump on the bandwagon and L-finessed it into the LS. I sure hope not. However, from all of the conceptual fanfare that we've seen from them up to this point, it would seem this will not be the case. As SV said, they have the Pokemon thing going. I cracked up when I read that.
As Wale_bate said in another thread, all manufacturers are searching for the next big thing. He calls it "searching" but I think it's more like groping.