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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Sep 23, 2005 (10:44 am)
A reporter for an influential U.S. publication is working on a piece about Mercedes and would like to hear from consumers. He’s wondering whether the recent quality problems are enough to stop consumers from buying Mercedes in the future. He also cites that Mercedes says it has worked hard to fix the various problems and is producing the best quality cars ever. He’d especially appreciated hearing from any long-time Mercedes drivers around who agree or disagree. If you have a story to share, please respond to predmunds.com with your daytime and evening contact info., city/state of residence and what models of Mercedes you own/have owned, no later than Weds., Sept. 28, 2005.
#10503 of 24726 small experiene with hybed
Sep 23, 2005 (12:49 pm)
After driving the lexus H I was impressed ....It is a small step forward, but I think the biggest savings comes when the car turns itself off at a stop light....My wife got the bmw instead of the Lexus, and although it is ten thousand dollars more(could have been five thousand) it gets about the same milage....I think when we get use to these high priced gallons of gas,people will not spring for the hybred unless the price come down sharply. For me the gallons saved are not enough to really make a difference if taken over a year..I know if I were to be thinking (dreaming) of a Porsche I would not want the extra weight.....When wwest didn`t flat out endorse the Lexus I thought there was something to re consider..Tony
#10504 of 24726 Re: And the company jumps when he plays reveille... [designman]
Sep 24, 2005 (11:38 am)
Designman - They are a very healthy company. Cash is about double debt and Net income has been growing nicely to about $800+mln after tax. Healthy balance sheet, growing earnings - I'm sure Porsche feels pretty good about themselves these days, on a roll and putting their nerdy/"purist" auto enthusiast fans further and further into the rear view mirror. A scrappy smaller guy like them finds ways to do things economically albeit with a lower risk/reward return. The more full lined they get the healthier the business is and the less dependent they are on the singular car line the puriusts want them to hold to.How do you do it - partnerships, tie in suppliers/developers/partners to future revenue share, keep projects lean and beauracracy free and then have a nice bonus system tied to milestones being met at budgeted cost. Result - things get done effectively and cheaply, everyone wins, initial profits are not as large as they could have been but long-term equity is noticably enhanced and you are in the game at a deeper level. The operational key past development stage is to utilize existing production and keep production quotas to a niche position as opposed to really competing with the heavy hitters - sought of the way Tampa Bay had the Yankees figured out this year.
By the way - you've got to realize that many projects qupte a cost but it's not usually an incremental cost. Most of the time it's a reallocation of fixed or existing costs into one project. It's always overstated in Government spending. IE - they say the war in IRAQ costs X dollars per day, But 90% of those x dollars would have been spent anyway. We didn't add 150,000 new soldiers to foght that war. In the casr of cars I'll bet that one of the cost components is lost sales in the last "old" model year, and effecetively that is a real incremental cost. But typically that is made up with the surge of sales in the new model year.
Now I have a separate problem. My wife loves the IS and my son wants it as his first car. Can I send you the bill?
#10505 of 24726 Leather Care
Sep 25, 2005 (10:17 am)
I just tried out the BEST leather treatment ever. It's called Leatherique and is a two step process. Since my 92 is at the dealer I decided to try it on my new 05 LS. You wouldn't believe how soft the leather is now! On the downside, it is rather expensive ($55 for Two bottles Conditioner and Cleaner) and requires a warm day to have a full effect. I put a space heater inside of it and was very pleased with the results. It's even better than when I bought it in December. It is apparently used in Museums to keep the leather soft and supple.
I've been trying to find a way to preserve the leather on my new car, especially after how badly my leather seats in my 92 have aged. (Much of that is my fault, since I didn't know how to maintain a leather interior) I'm having the 92's seats redyed, but I'll try this treatment on it when I get it back.
So your wife likes the IS? Perhaps an opportunity to steal your LS back? I tried to bait my wife into taking my new Corolla. Strange enough, it actually worked! I think she just takes whatever is new. I think she's doing it to show me she can get away with it! Hopefully she won't take the 92 once I get it back.
One word about the Corolla, not the most comfortable car in the world, but 33 MPG..It cost only $28 to fill it, and I got 330 miles out of it. I was impressed with the fit and finish of the cabin. The tolerances look good enough for a Lexus let alone an economy car.
#10506 of 24726 Re: Leather Care [sv7887]
Sep 25, 2005 (12:15 pm)
SV, man you’re really taking that old LS seriously. Re-dying the leather? Actually, I like seeing people getting the most out of their cars. It’s the most frugal way to do it and I tend to be the same way. However, the older I get the more I don’t mind spending on cars, probably because I couldn't do it when I was younger.
#10507 of 24726 Re: And the company jumps when he plays reveille... [ljflx]
Sep 25, 2005 (12:16 pm)
Well the IS would be a nice car for a youngster and it sounds like your son has a lock on it, unlike Oac who if I recall correctly has a couple of much younger kids who need to ride in the back seat. The IS car is no family car. That back seat is the smallest in a class that is back-seat compromised to begin with. The only way he is going to get it is if he could swing it as his personal second or third car. Nah, I see either a GS or LS in his future in addition to the realistic workhorse utility vehicle. Me thinks the toy car will have to wait ‘til the kids have left the nest or have their own cars. OK Oac… you’re on.
Now, I couldn’t help but notice that nerdy Porsche enthusiast comment. I suppose every marque has its share of them but the real Porsche enthusiast tracks his car or drives it hard. The Porsche mantra is perfection on both road and track. As far as putting the enthusiast in the rear view mirror, I remind you of the Cayenne Turbo, a totally unnecessary brutish setup for an SUV, but one which demonstrates where the company’s heads are at.
BTW, it has been reported that Porsche announced today it plans to buy a 20% share of VW. I guess they’re serious about that relationship. I wonder if one will bring the other up, down or remain the same. Hopefully this will be good for both of them. I suppose there is a lot of national pride at work here which counters the MB/Chrysler gambit, and a move that will endear them to all Germans and their unions. Would be nice if American companies could do the same thing and slow the momentum of the Toyota steamroller. I don’t like lack of balance as exists with Microsoft.
Sep 25, 2005 (4:48 pm)
Kirstie, shouldn't this reporter for "an influential US Publication" just review ,say, the last 1000 messages on this board? He/she would save a lot of time AND cast a wider net than talking with a small set of people who self -select themselves to be interviewed.
#10509 of 24726 Re: And the company jumps when he plays reveille... [designman]
Sep 25, 2005 (5:11 pm)
"Now, I couldn’t help but notice that nerdy Porsche enthusiast comment."
I was really referring to people that want them to build nothing but pure sportscars.
BTW - buying a piece of VW is a mistake - IMO.
#10510 of 24726 Re: And the company jumps when he plays reveille... [ljflx]
Sep 25, 2005 (8:16 pm)
"BTW - buying a piece of VW is a mistake - IMO."
Totally agree. The only VW group property currently not losing money is Audi. I'm not sure how the Passat is going to do, but the public response to the new Jetta with its wimpy 5-cyl seems to be a big "yawn" followed by "you copied the Corolla?"
Porsche needs to stay lean and mean, not get bogged down in VW's affairs.
Sep 26, 2005 (1:56 pm)
Maybe they have the extra money and want to invest in something they know about....Further they may feel that this would be a shot at the big times and further influence designs .....I noticed Toyota creeping nearer the high in their stock...They are making a big bet on the hy bred future, but I don`t think it will be a quick large success, particularly if interest rates went back to the numbers that use to be, like eight to ten percent...The auto companies must really have a large profit margin to be able to underight the numerous lease deals....Tony