Last post on Jan 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#10202 of 24723 Re: Lexux? [ljflx]
Aug 12, 2005 (12:23 pm)
You really need to check your facts, the 190 was discontinued in 1993 so how could they drop prices in the late 1990's. And above average compared to who, Lexus is behind, BMW and Benz, Audi, Infinity, Jag and the Caddy's. They all make models in the same price range as the LS but have better performance. Above average when compared to the Camary, But in the luxury car market they have only Lincoln for company.
#10203 of 24723 Re: Lexux? [ctsang]
Aug 12, 2005 (12:42 pm)
Actually I have thought of getting a Porche but not as my primary driver, they are too harsh for long highway trips or for commuting. I don't know about the new model, I have never ridden in one.
And adding another car just for kicks is a bit too expensive for me to justify at the moment. Especially a new one. Those beasts are expensive to service too.
But if I did get one it would not have a back seat, I would get it to be a fun impractical car to drive on twisty mountain roads or the track, not as a commuter.
But for now I will stick with cars that can do both pretty well.
#10204 of 24723 Re: Lexux? [jtbenz]
Aug 12, 2005 (12:45 pm)
Mercedes as a whole dropped prices in the late 90's. In your dreams I guess you can imagine Lexus and Lincoln are in the same category. The only thing they have in common in the real world is that they start with the letter L.
#10205 of 24723 Re: Lexux? [oac]
Aug 12, 2005 (12:57 pm)
The boxter S is a two seater, and the C55 and the LS are close in cabin size and use and purpose. If you want to defend Lexus' performance credentials, find me one that can compete with the C55, any Lexus model, well? The car is a $55K mid-sized sedan, for heaven's sake not one of the v-12's or the SLR, but Toyota has nothing, NOTHING, that can match the C55 in peformance. Pretty sad isn't it. It didn't dawn on me until today. You would think a car company as large as Toyota would have something, any car that could go as fast as a C55.
Even the other Japanese companies have sports cars that can match or exceed the performance of Mercedes sedan, but not Toyota. Hmmm
#10206 of 24723 Re: Lexux? [ljflx]
Aug 12, 2005 (1:01 pm)
In performance they are, show me another luxury car line sold in the U.S. that is slower than Lexus.
#10207 of 24723 Re: Lexux? [ctsang]
Aug 12, 2005 (1:12 pm)
I am comparing model lines, so where is Lexus' performance model? For a car line that is the best in everything and a deep performance bloodline like Lexus, surely they have one? If Lexus is such a performance luxury car maker which one should I pick, hmmm Mercedes and BMW Audi, Caddy, all seem to have several, Lexus? show me that model that blends thrilling driving excitement with luxury and comfort that carries the Lexus nameplate, the SC? (chuckle)
#10208 of 24723 Re: Lexux? [jtbenz]
Aug 12, 2005 (1:19 pm)
the C55 and the LS are close in cabin size and use and purpose
Get real, buddy. They have very little in common. The US government classifies cars as follows:
LS - class: large, volume 123 cu ft (passenger+cargo)
C55 - class: compact, volume 101 cf
E - class: mid, volume 111 cf
S - class: large, volume 121 cf
Which is the LS close to, again?
#10209 of 24723 Re: Lexux? [jtbenz]
Aug 12, 2005 (1:26 pm)
where is Lexus' performance model
They don't have one, not in the sense of a AMG or M type. How many MB owners have AMGs anyway? 1%? 2%? Your question matters to them. Not to anyone else. Why continue to slam Lexus for not having an AMG-type offering? You don't even drive an AMG yourself.
show me that model that blends thrilling driving excitement with luxury and comfort that carries the Lexus nameplate
Two more months and you can buy an IS350. But some germancarfans (not merc1) are so closed-minded that they just "know" that Lexus is boring and tomblike, and such people won't even pay attention to the reviews as they come out, much less test drive the car.
BTW, what do you think of the Infiniti G and M?
#10210 of 24723 Re: Lexux? [syswei]
Aug 12, 2005 (1:36 pm)
Check what I wrote, I wrote cabin size, that excludes the trunk, The Lexus is bigger in interior cabin size but they are reasonably close. But whatever, show me a Lexus that can compete with the C55 at any price? Any model, come on, lets hear it, Lexus is the greatest car maker ever right? Surely they have something for those of us that like performance from the greatest car manufacturer in history?
If you want performance out of the S, you can get it, you will pay for it but you can get it. How about the LS? Hmmm, nobody has answered my challenge. Lexus and Lincoln really must be the slowest luxury car lines sold in the U.S.. And that from the greatest car maker ever, amazing.
#10211 of 24723 Re: Lexux? [jtbenz]
Aug 12, 2005 (1:43 pm)
I wrote cabin size, that excludes the trunk
OK, here are the government interior volume data:
LS - 107 cf
C55 - 89
E - 97
S - 106
IQ test: Which MB model is the LS closest to?