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Buick LeSabre, Sedan
Jul 26, 2001 (10:07 am)
Thanks for your glowing review of Buicks past. I suggest you spend some time in a 2000+ LeSabre or Regal GS before you start slamming the road manners anymore. I'm not expecting my LeSabre to keep up with a BMW 5-series through a twisting road but I also know that the Gran Touring suspension has alot more bite than you are giving it credit for.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I just don't agree with yours.
#464 of 1520 9899OLDS.
Jul 26, 2001 (11:15 am)
Can only sympathise with you...and you are right...it's for everyone to decide himself. I have only to say that my personal experience differs from yours by a mile...
I will not slam you though as I hold my opinion that these forums are more specifically to discuss problems and issues and you are welcome and requested to continue participation.
#465 of 1520 vtech83/jimsxn
Jul 26, 2001 (3:44 pm)
vtech83:::::as stated it is real life experience and never did I compare the Buicks to a Bimmer..We are talking only about a suspension system working to hold the tire steady against the road. If your car is used 95% high speed interstate, my friend, you will find out..The quick trip down to the corner store or across town doesn't prove a thing..
jimsxn:::::as stated, it's for your info only and I certainly wasn't slamming Buick but after 250k miles of swift travel in those cars the tire problem was a major concern..My son-in-law has a 96 Riv which suffers the rear tire cupping scenario as explained..Both of my Intrigues, 98 and the 99 for a total to date of 73k miles have never gave any indication of cupping or flat spotting..The normal cruise speed is 75/85 to top end..At 47k on the 99 3.5 Intrigue the tires are getting thin; but they are still perfect, absolutely no irregular wear pattern-same balance as new and same alignment..Worst rutty roads in the USA are in Mich but the stiff suspension of the Intrigue is a blessing..Before I bought the 98 Intrigue, I drove a 98 Regal GS and within two blocks the old rocking chair motion was there..
The suspensions are totally different..
Jul 27, 2001 (5:55 am)
For what it's worth my commuting habits cover a range of driving conditions on a daily basis. Also for what its worth, I spent a couple of years in a 91 LeSabre and never once encountered any of your rear tire cupping or flat spotting problems. The car had 150,000 on it when I finally sold it and never once had a tire or suspension problem.
The new G-bodies from GM are probably the best chassis they make outside the Vette. The new LeSabres are noticibly tighter with a much stiffer suspension than before. Add the Gran Touring setup and you've got a car that cruises like a dream on the highway and handles like a dream when you need to toss it around.
Enjoy your Olds. Hang on to it or you might be buying a Buick Aurora one day.
Jul 27, 2001 (6:37 am)
If you drove a 91 LeSabre w/o any suspension problems, tire problems or any strut replacement; then truly we are reading from different pages of the book..
Our driving habits are totally different for I don't nurse a car..
Maybe they have changed the Touring pkg since my test drive of a new 98 Regal GS which was about 10 minutes after I drove a GTP Pontiac..
Each GM division concocts their own suspension setup and shared body shells really doesn't reflect the final handling or ride outcome..
#468 of 1520 Yesterday is yesterday
Jul 27, 2001 (6:56 pm)
You need to visit the local Buick dealer and drive the new LeSabre. Unless you just want to keep comparing bananas to oranges---there is that much difference. Mine cruises nicely at 75mph and gets 31mpg to boot--and no tire problem. No bottoming and no sway or nose dive. And mine has the 16" tires and does not have the Gran Touring Suspension.
As for the Pontiac--excuse me--no, don't bother, it is not a pretty sight to behold. But I can see you buying one if you want handling and don't mind a kidney transplant in the future--they offer three differnt suspensions. But driving a Buick like a sports car or driving hard and pushing it into turns, etc is just not usually the reason folks buy Buicks to start with.
Jul 29, 2001 (6:07 am)
I agree with the above post if someone is looking for a sports car a lasabre is not the right choice . But if your looking for a car that large enough for four people and cruses efortlesly at any reasonable speed and gets 30 + m.p.g it,s worth a test drive.
Jul 29, 2001 (6:36 pm)
Nobody said anything about a sports car handling and anything close to that higher plateau..Buick does not change and problems develop after the 20k mark..The LeSabre line used to get the low-life General Tire which was totally worthless..
Enjoy the floaty ride..A Bonneville is no sports car but does exhibit some of the finer points of sedan driveability..
#471 of 1520 Bonneville Cousin Speaking Out!
Jul 30, 2001 (12:48 pm)
My 2000 Bonneville SE is an awesome car. It demonstrates none of the 'floatiness' yet is not harsh riding either - a great ride. Now the suspension on SLE and SSEi certainly is tauter and the supercharger will give you thrills till you pay at the pump for premium (unless fuel cost is no concern). I also get 28 - 32 mpg highway mileage at steady 75 mph depending on use of A/C and relative flatness of terrain. Personally, I prefer the interior to that of the LeSabre since I wanted the buckets and console with floor shifter this time out after 2 Grand Marquis. Some prefer the bench - SE has it available. The styling of the upper classmen SLE and SSEi is more controversial than the SE which carries a nice chrome strip down the side rather than plastic body cladding, and the SE front is less confrontational too. Price is very attractive - new list is $26K for mine - no leather or SR. I bought mine in Jan this year - preowned with 18K miles for $16K - and am totally thrilled with the car. Give it another look - it's a great car. Ken
#472 of 1520 macarthur2, tpken
Jul 30, 2001 (2:38 pm)
Well stated! Could not have said it better myself! I had a 91 LeSabre once before that my brother sold to me for a song. It was getting a little floaty after 150,000 miles, but it still rode and handled well for a car of that size and weight and after 150,000, what do you expect! The new LeSabres are a totally different animal. Mine has the Gran Touring setup, but I had the dealer put on a set of chrome wheels from a Park Ave with Goodyear LS tires. Not the best set of rubber out there, but I didn't want Firestones on my new car. I drove the car before I had the new wheels/tires put on and there was a noticible difference between the Goodyears and the Firestones -- the handling was much better. As soon as the Goodyears wear out, I'll put on a set of Michelins. I have no doubt the handling will improve even more. Regardless of the improved handling, the car is a super highway cruiser. Great combination of ride and cornering.
Whasssss up Bonneville cuz! Been out of the forum for awhile but I still lurk around from time to time. Heard you had a broken foot -- hope everything is going well. I actually saw a black 2001 SSEi today for the first time. I have to admit, I'm no great fan of the SSEi styling, but black is a color on that car I could live with. It was sharp. The LeSabre is going about its business without any problems. My daughter gets on my case because I clean it all the time. I guess we've all got our vices. Hope the SE is treating you well.
I have to admit that I get a kick out of hearing the cupholder complaints in the Bonnie forum. It doesn't look like the best setup out there, but really, when you think about it, who really does have a good cupholder design. Maybe C&D or R&T or Motor Trend should do a feature about cupholders! It seems like every review of a new car has something negative to say about cup holders. Mine work OK as long as you have the right size cup in it. You can also fit in a regular size coffee mug -- it has slots for the handle to fit in. Not a bad design, but it takes up alot of real estate. I've heard they redesigned the cup holders for 2002. I'll have to take a look sometime.