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Jul 06, 2001 (6:48 am)
An update. At 17,000 miles our Titanium blue 2000 Buick LeSabre custom with Prestigue Pkg and leather is doing great. It has several trips from OKC to Roswell NM under its belt (500 miles one way). Out on the open road it is hard to keep it on 75 because it just wants to go higher. We are in the midwest and speed limits are higher. It continues to pull a tad over 30 mpg cruising at 75mph. Very quiet and effortless cruiser-a tad over 2,000 rpm at 75!. On curves it hunkers down and pulls through nicely with no noticeable leaning. Not much I would change except for some decent cup holders (fold down armrest). And even though this car stickered at 27k it has no fold down armrest in the rear and no cupholder(even with the leather option). Yes I could have spent 3k more and got them on a Limited, but come on Buick this is kind of chinzy. The leather is not of the greatest quality but most folks like the blue interior. Rear seat cushions have little support for my 200+pounds but I don't ride there much. Has 16" tire option but not gran touring pkg. I keep tires at 35psi as opposed to the 30 psi recommended. Handles nicely and tracks excellently in heavy rain as well (although I slow down anyway). No problems whatsoever with the car. It gets 22mpg city/rural driving. Looks a lot like the new Jaguer sedan, especially from the rear. Waxed up it is just plain beautiful. Would love to hear similar reports from other 2000 and newer owners.
#450 of 1520 Road report 2K Limited
Jul 08, 2001 (7:25 pm)
I have posted several times over the past year. I griped about minor glitches such as the kazoo noise and an exhaust rattle which were fixed. The only thing that was not fixed was an intermittent battery rundown, which has not happened since Oct. '00. maybe the car fixed itself. I am extremely happy with the car. If I had it to do all over again, I would choose the Lesabre, especially after driving other similar full size cars from other manufacturers. This is a great car for all day driving.
#451 of 1520 2000 le sabre
Jul 09, 2001 (9:56 am)
well it has now become a real problem,my buick cuts-off (shuts down)while driveing,once on a bridge...did go in for repairs,now later again on the highway,in again (dealer)still waiting.what would be next,a stall in a tunnel (c.b.t.)all eletr. cut out ..no info on dash...just wait 1 min. and re start.??
#452 of 1520 Possible Help for cw10
Jul 10, 2001 (4:32 am)
My parents purchased a 2001 LeSabre in mid-May. 10 days later the car started acting funny while they were on the expressway (transmission shifting funny). Once they applied to brake to get off on anexit ramp, the car died. They were 4 hours from home. The dealer there said they could fix it in a couple of days and gave my parents a free rental. My dad went back to pick it up and an hour later the car did the same thing again. He had towed to our selling dealer. They kept the car for about 4 days. My mom picked the car up and when driving to work it tried to stall and the 'check engine' light came on. My dad took it back to the dealer - it still ran at this time. The dealer kept it a week and from the codes given from the check engine light they needed to replace the MAP sensor.
My parents have had the car back exactly a month and no recurrence of problems. They have almost 4,000 miles on the car now. They're taking too many trips, but I guess that's the luxury of being semi-retired. It was disappointing having a 10 day old car break down, but my parents love the car - ride, handling, gas mileage, comfort and the 0% financing sealed the deal. They still say they'd buy another one.
Anyhow, maybe the MAP sensor is what is causing your car to cut out.
#453 of 1520 16,500 Mile Road Report
Jul 12, 2001 (6:03 pm)
Sorry about not writing sooner, but I have been busy. Since macarthur2 asked for road reports, I thought I would contribute mine. I have a 2000 Limited Silver/Grey Leather interior with everything except the memory seats and HUD Package. I have 16,500 miles on the car and it still rides like new. No problems with the car at all and I get 31 mpg on highway and about 21 city. I drive 25 miles to work each way at 65 mph on highway. I have changed the oil every 3000 to 3500 miles and keep the tires at 32 psi. Nothing else has been done to the car in terms of service. I love the car and would buy another one without a thought. Feel free to email me or ask any question's. I'll try to write more often.
#454 of 1520 buick stall prob. (cut-off) re:cw10
Jul 13, 2001 (5:40 am)
to Eric 227, thanks for the reply... problem not fixed,so they wash the car for me ? so if it happens again... will mention "map sen cr."
#455 of 1520 Noise from below
Jul 13, 2001 (7:50 pm)
I have a 1998 Buick Century and love it. However, I have started to hear a click when I apply the brake. It usually cannot be heard unless I am going under 30. The click will not happen again until I accelerate then brake again. Sounds like it comes from the middle uder the car. The biggest problem is that it will do it for a week then not for another week. Anybody have a similar situation?
#456 of 1520 Seeking thoughts on "new" 2000 LeSabre Limited fair price....
Jul 15, 2001 (10:12 am)
I've been looking for a cream puff 1998 or newer Park or a 2000 or newer LeSabre with lower miles (under 36k) at the right price for a while. 30+mpg on the highway for a car that big still amazes me. I own a 1992 Bonneville with 167k that still gets 28+ which I'm planning to keep.
About two months ago, I discovered the bucket seat/console option on a Park I saw and I personally think it's the Road Warrior's dream setup. I've been told that the console option is relatively rare as it makes the car into a five person vehicle and dealers don't like to take them used because they're harder to sell. I'd also been told that after 1998 or 99, the console is only available on the Ultra but on Friday, I found out that it's available on Limiteds with leather, too!!
Last week, I thought I had nailed a 1998 Park with buckets/console but found out through a connection of mine at the DMV that it had been t-boned in 1999. It was otherwise in great shape and I obtained all the service records for it (including the hit) and there were no unusual entries after the accident (alignments, etc.). Nonetheless, pretty much bagged the car because of the hit.
I called around to some dealerships last Thursday to see who had what. Surprisingly, found a 2000 LeSabre Limited, Y56, traction control, HUD, leather AND the console with about 6600 miles on it along with a few Parks that interested me so I checked them out.
Drove the LeSabre and really liked it except that very mild vibration between 50 and 60 and at about 70, perhaps because the tires are out of round from the car sitting for so long on their lot. The tires on it were Firestone 225/60/16s. I've read some about that on here and I want to confirm that it can be dealt with by either new tires and/or proper balancing? Also, are those Firestones the original equipment for the Y56 suspension? I thought it shipped with Generals? I'm partial to Goodyear for all-seasons and Michelin Artic Alpins for winter. Has anyone used either and, if so, did you get no/worse/some vibration?
My other and more important question is what people think this car is worth? According to the sticker in the glove compartment, this car was built in August, 1999, stickered for $30,700, or so, and was ordered by the dealer I drove it at. Apparently, they used it for a demo and their Service Manager drove it for a few months during that time. The disclosure sticker indicates they've had it for sale since mid-December, 1999!!! It's never been titled to anyone so it's still considered a "new" car so I COULD qualify for new car rates (although not GM promotional rates), even though it's almost TWO years out of current model year.
The numbers on here indicate a Limited-base trade value of $16,700 and $19,500 on a customized analysis. Dealer retail alleges $19,500 base and $22,600 with the options. Kelley says $19,800 on trade with options and retail of $23,300. I haven't been able to get Black Book on it yet. I asked the dealer to give me a figure to chew on over the weekend and they came back with $26,300.00, which I HOPE they didn't think I'd agree to pay.
The car appeals to me but I'm not willing to save their behinds by immediately being way upside down on it the minute I drive it off their lot (I'm planning to put about $2,000 down plus tax).
What should I pay for this car? I know it's a weird situation. Anyone's thoughts are very much appreciated!!!!
#457 of 1520 RE: Seeking thoughts on "new" 2000 LeSabre Limited fair price....
Jul 17, 2001 (8:44 am)
I've got a 2001 LeSabre Limited with every option except the engine block heater. Sounds like the car you are interested in is pretty much decked out the same way. If you decide to buy it, you'll love it.
Here are my thoughts. As far as the Park Ave vs LeSabre question goes, I personally think the LeSabre is a better value. There used to be a pretty good gap between the two cars, but now you can get most of the Park Ave options on a LeSabre Limited. The Ultra tops out over $10,000 more than a loaded LeSabre Limited. Besides the Supercharged engine and a little more room, I don't know what you're buying for the extra $10,000. I'm talking about new car prices, of course.
I've driven both cars, and I feel like the LeSabre is a much more balanced vehicle. It rides as smooth as the Park Ave but I feel it handled much better. I've driven both cars with the Y56 suspension; the Park Ave still rolls around too much for my taste. The LeSabre corners much better.
I prefer the interior of the LeSabre to the Park Ave. The LeSabre is much more contemporary than the Park Ave. It also has the "catcher's mitt" seats that is supposed to cushion your body much better in the event of an impact. I don't believe that the Park has these type of seats.
The LeSabre is also a better looking vehicle. It's not much bigger than a Regal or Century and has a very Jaguar-ish type look to it, especially from the rear. The Park still looks like a big Buick with a front grille that swallows up the entire nose.
Now, back to your "new" 2000 LeSabre. A fair price for that car is about $23,500. If you buy it at $26,000, the dealership guys will be high-fiving each other as soon as you drive it off the lot. If you really like the car, play hardball and offer $23,000. Don't go over $24,000. This car is basically a wart on the dealerships lot right now. They want to get rid of it. If I were you, I would offer $23,000 and if they say no, just walk away. I'd bet anything they'll take your offer just to get rid of it.
I'm starting to close in on 9000 miles and I can't find a thing about the car I don't like. I also disagree strongly with the notion that the bucket seats and center console available in the LeSabre lower it's potential resale value. In my opinion, there are only two cars built in the world that can comfortably seat six people - The Caddy DeVille and the Lincoln Town Car. Other cars may have a bench seat in the front, but I couldn't imagine trying to haul six people around, especially on a long trip. The extra storage space of the real console plus the extra power outlets available more than make up for the lack of a sixth seating position.
If your budget is too tight for a new car, grab the LeSabre you've been looking at. If the dealer won't budge, get a new one. Wait until one of the holiday weekends; dealers are always dumping cars then at good prcies and/or financing.
#458 of 1520 Just got to report this..
Jul 24, 2001 (6:43 am)
Back from a 2000 mile trip on my 1994 LeSabre. No problem at all...not a single. And really drove the rig over the limit on the PA roads in a rainstorm (I take 5th on specifying how much over). Passed several BMWs and Audis on the way. This car has amazinlgy high limits. And it is so comfortable on long trips!!! The family loved it. To put in context...last year's trip of 500 miles one way in a Civic had put me out with back pain for a whole day.