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#21 of 1497 Seat design problem by dontowenothin Oct 23, 1999 (2:03 pm)
If you have a big butt and wide hips be assured that the seat belt latch holders in the Buick Le Saber 2000 will poke to in the butt every time you enter and exit that car. My suggestion to you is to drive less and walk more and lose your dimension in that region. Otherwise , NO rice box will give you the hip and shoulder room of this car in this price range or thr trunk cargo capacity or the performance on regular gas or the mileage on regular gas. The handling is super and the Y56 is worth the wait. For the money you get far more with the Buick than any models except the Ford/Mercury rear wheel drive package CV amd Grand Marquis. I don't know of any better deals unless you want a cramped ride in a euro box or rice bucket. I have no excuse for GM's attitude and it's knowledge that the y56 package means that many Americans ,who choose to have a decent suspension mean nothing to them. The arrogant bastards will pay for their attitude with their jobs eventually.
#22 of 1497 they'll never learn by i30owner Oct 25, 1999 (3:36 am)
In 1972 I had a Buick Salesman tell me they did not need my business to stay in business. That was true untill 1995 when I bought a new Park Avenue. In 56000 miles I replaced a rear window motor (warranty), both rear wheel brake cylinders (out of warranty), the brake master cylinder (out of warranty), battery (out of warranty) and both constant velocity driveshafts were on the downhill side of failing (about $500 to fix). Dealer could not fix squeaking dash. Ordered a 2000 lesabre with Y56 package. Dealer ordered for 3 weeks and buick rejected order each time. I finally called buick and gm spending over 3 hours on the phone with them (on my nickle). Asking the simple question, "WHEN WILL BUICK ACCEPT MY ORDER" and "IS THE Y56 PACKAGE ALLOCATION BASED ON DEALER SALES OR CUSTOMER PREFERENCE". I just wanted to know how long I would have to wait and if I would be better trying to work with another dealer. (I had personally called or visited 7 dealers trying to get the car ordered). Buick or GM never returned my calls with an answer and after 2 weeks I wrote them a letter (to CEO and COO). Well about 3 weeks later they called me - said allocation was based on dealer allocations and not customers orders. So the customer is less importiant to buick than the dealers. At least you now know what they think of you. They still could not tell me when Buick would accept my order even 5 weeks later. They really don't care about the individual consumer - you are just a complaining number to those guys. I got tired of their crap and canceled the order. It will be a cold day in hell before I buy another Buick. I had never bought a foreign car and even admonsed my relatives and co-workers when they bought a foreign car. I WAS BUY AMERICAN - GM, FORD AND CHRYSLER - PERIOD. I tried to buy a cadillac sls but dealer tried to outright cheat me on the deal (didn't even offer all of the dealer incentive off msrp on a 1999 model) and lowballed the trade in. And new pontiac bonnivelle had dents in the fender and bad paint - Yea - I really want that. I got tired of buying poor quality cars from dealers who tried to cheat me and could not deliver. I finally went on the foreign car lots and ended up finding better quality cars, better warranties, better resale, better ride all for about the same money. For the first time I acted like an intellegent consumer. I won't hurt buick, they will just suck another customer in through their slick advertising. But if you want the 2000 lesabre with the Y56 gran touring package (and to replace those crappy looking stock wheels) be prepared to wait, wait, wait, ........
#23 of 1497 Canuck Car Contest by dkent1 Oct 28, 1999 (3:10 pm)
I hate to admit I am Canadian when I see the cars assigned to compete in the latest Automobile Journalists of Canada Year 2000 competition. Check it out at : <http://www.ajac.org/coty.htm> Make sure you send an email (at end of page) to let them know what a good job they did pitting the 2000 Buick against the I30 against the Lincoln LS-V8!! Dave. P.S. If you want a better laugh, look at last years winners!
#24 of 1497 2000 LeSabre Custom price by jbarrie201 Oct 29, 1999 (12:55 pm)
Hi Raoul, I have a question for you. We have on order a 2000 Custom Lesabre with the identical options that you purchased. Like you we did not like the wheels and we have our dealer looking into the 15" multispoke aluminum wheel. It would appear that you ordered the 16" cross-lace. We were under the impression that to order this tire you needed to order the Gran Touring Package? We also got a great price of $24950, excluding upgraded tire which dealer is looking into. We live in South Carolina. Jean
#25 of 1497 Satisfied With Limited 2000 by henryj Oct 31, 1999 (10:46 pm)
Just returned from first short trip with new limited 2000 and me and my wife really like our new car....how could we get so many gadgets and a tight car for less than 30,000.....went through a rainstorm and no leaks from moon-roof.....never had one before and wife loves it...likes to look through glass or leave it open these fall days.....takes off from red light in fine shape and merges into freeway traffic just fine.....I like to drive up to reg gaspump.....not so expensive....it looks more like sport sedan than old design.....
#26 of 1497 i30owner by boots96 Nov 01, 1999 (1:33 am)
I'll make this the last post to this thread--you asked me to let you know when we made a decision on what we bought after the Buick LeSabre deal fell through. Last Friday, we bought a 2000 Avalon XLS with leather, power everything, moonroof, etc. I shopped the Internet for an Avalon for about three days (carorder.com, carsdirect.com, autoadvantage.com, etc.) to get an idea of what kind of deals were out there, and then went to my local dealer. He beat the best that any of the internet sources would give me, and he had the car on the lot -- no waiting! It pays to do your homework that's for sure. Anyway, my wife likes the car a lot better than the Buick Limited, even if it will take her a year to read and understand the owner's manual because of all the the bells and whistles the XLS has on it. A final thought: 99% of all car salesmen give the rest of them a bad name!!
#27 of 1497 Nice To Hear From You, Henry J by nwalker Nov 01, 1999 (9:23 pm)
Thanks for weighing in as someone who is satisfied with the new 2000 Buick Le Sabre. My experience with the new Limited is just like yours-total satisfaction. I too enjoy being able to use the least expensive gasoline. I routinely drive 80 miles to and from our vacation property over two lane winding roads and the gt package works for me. I drove a Toyota Camry for the last 6 years and the Buick offers luxury I am not accustomed to. Equally important, my wife likes it. If you are new to this discussion, you may not know that it changes in tone from time to time depending on who is contributing. When I was researching and buying my Limited last spring and early summer, the tone was very positive (Our biggest problem at the time was that we could not get the 16" polished aluminum wheels with the gt package.)  I was priveleged to be able to gather helpful information from contributor kvogt. We haven't heard from him for a while and that is unfortunate.
#28 of 1497 LeSabre Questions by ballbag Nov 02, 1999 (10:50 pm)
I've been considering a 2000 LeSabre but I was wondering about a few things. Several reviews I read for the car talk about a more rigid body. What is the advantage of that? I've also read that the engine is a pushrod type. What's that and is there a disadvantage/advantage to it? Lastly, is there a difference between the Y56 package and the Grand Touring package?
#29 of 1497 Stabilitrak by jmacikowski Nov 03, 1999 (9:25 pm)
Would like to pros / cons on the Stabilitrak option. Thanks John
#30 of 1497 ballbag by nwalker Nov 05, 1999 (12:14 am)
I am not an automotive expert. I have owned my 2000 Limited for four months and have a little over 4000 miles on it. As I said above, I am completely satisfied with it. I believe the advantage of the increased rigidity is that it reduces weight-shifting which made the older Buicks favor straight lines rather than curves (see Car and Driver Magazine, Jan 1999). This plus the Y56 performance suspension provides a solid feeling of assurance on winding roads which would have had older Buicks rolling uncomfortably. See also Car and Driver Magazine, May 1999 for a comparison with the Chrysler Concorde. I am not aware of any advantage of a push-rod engine which uses push-rods to activate the valves as compared to an overhead cam engine other than that you never have to worry about breaking a drive belt or chain which could leave you stopped on the side of the road with possible major engine damage. I think Buick uses the older style pushrod engine because it would be expensive to upgrade to a more modern style. They have improved it over the years. It is quiet and durable. The Y56 package is the Gran Touring Package. There is more to it than just the suspension. Again I say, I am not an expert on this subject. I don't feel that I need to prove anything in my choice of cars or on the highway. The Buick is perfect for me.

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