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Saturn S-Series, Sedan
#668 of 1419 True enough
Apr 25, 2001 (9:20 pm)
I just drove them back to back around the block, so I have no idea about highway speed noise levels. You are right that Ford has a winner on its hands, hard to argue with the level of the Focus sales.
The SL-2 / SC2 does have some key advantages however.
Saturn has better acceleration - crash test results (and LOTS of real world crash test results), and extremely low cost of ownership.
Of course I would be remiss if I failed to mention that the plastic panels Saturn owners enjoy keep the car dent free for many many many many many years. Funny thing is I have yet to see a dent in a panel. (Have seen dents on roofs)
Also you are comparing the 98 SC2 to a 2000 Focus. Saturn made large strides in quieting the engine in 99 and finalized it in 2000. Truely there is no comparison between a 98 and a 2000 for the smoothness and quietness of the engines. In fact when on the highway I am always impressed with how quiet my 2000 Saturn is! It is a LOT quieter than my wifes 98 Altima.
Lastly the level of Satisfaction you will recieve from the Sales department *ranked #1* which is mildly important - and the Service department *#1 by CR and #2 by J.D. Powers* which can change your ownership perspective forever.
#669 of 1419 I finally did it!!!
Apr 26, 2001 (10:04 am)
I took possession of my 2001 Saturn SL1 last night. So far so good... Needless to say, I had the most pleasant buying experience, EVER!!!! Everyone was very professional and friendly, right down to the service staff, and even the car wash staff!!!
What can I say, I think I'm hooked.
#670 of 1419 Mostly agree----------
Apr 26, 2001 (10:17 am)
afk x: I agree with most of the points you make. The noise I refer to is mostly "road noise" or road rumble, not really from the engine. The newer engines are indeed smoother and quieter than the 1998 mill. The noise from the "grained" surfaces on the secondary roads in Florida and Georgia are murder to my ears and I have avoided long trips in the SC2 and signed-out one of the "Foci" instead, much quieter !!
As to the low cost of ownership (at least on the '98)I think it has to be worse than most other econoboxes now out there. The recommended service intervals of oil change 3000mi,replace spark plugs 30,000 mi (most others are using platinum plugs that easly go 100K) and tranny service 30K does not a low cost maintenance vehicle make in my book. The timing chain vs a belt is a nice touch tho. Warranty will be voided if these intervals not followed. I feel this is juat a ploy to boost service revenue for Saturn. That's ok, they have to eat too I guess, but not on my nickle, LOL. If you factor in the disappointing resale (IMHO)then the Saturns are merely just another el-chepo GM rag tag attempt at building a small car. For the money a Cavalier or Sunfire, even allowing for the dismal reliability (GM again) of these cars, are a better buy.I do have a neat keepsake in the form of a color picture on a 1998 calandar of me taking delivery the dealer plus they do send me a birthday card on the anniversary date of the car and all those donuts and coffee in the customer lounge have to acccount for something,yes ?? LOL Good luck with yours.
#671 of 1419 Suspension
Apr 26, 2001 (10:56 am)
Very good point. The Suspension used on the Saturns is very dated. Interestingly enough Honda just went away from their wishbone to a setup similar to what Saturn uses.
As for mine, its a lease and I don't plan on buying it out. I'm going for an F150.
#672 of 1419 Excessive Oil Burning
Apr 26, 2001 (1:43 pm)
We just got a 92 SL2 with about 110,000 on it. It's burning oil excessively. About a quart in 150-200 miles. There appears to be no oil leak - and the exhaust is not showing a consistent trail of blue. Just a puff of blue once in a while - so little, that I didn't notice anything alarming in over an hour of test driving. Seems to run great or we wouldn't have bought it. I knew that SL's had a history of oil burning, so I wasn't scared off by the little bit of blue exhaust I did see while testing it. Any suggestions (besides new engine) on what I can do to slow the burning process?
Apr 26, 2001 (6:18 pm)
Loss of oil may just be a leaky gasket somewhere you don't see. It may not be a big deal. At 110K miles I would expect some leaks. Have it checked out by a good mechanic if you have one...
#674 of 1419 DISREGARD: Excessive Oil Burning
Apr 26, 2001 (8:10 pm)
Although it doesn't leave a single drop of oil when it's parked in my driveway & oil is not openly visble under the hood, we have figured it's leaking WHILE running only. What gave it away was oil inside the right wheel well & extremely fine drops along the passenger side outer body. Time to pressure wash & fiond the leak.... Thanks anyway.
Apr 29, 2001 (3:40 pm)
I have experience replacing power window motors, regulators and flexi-racks in two different LeBarons I have owned. It is a MAJOR P.I.T.A. to do. Anyway, yesterday, my 1991 Saturn SL2's
drivers window failed, in the down position, of course. It already had partially stripped gear teeth, but now the motor is dead.
So.... I have to drill out frozen screw heads to get the panel off. I FINALLY get the partially damaged panel off and I find out you have to take the outer skin of the door off to get to the regulator!!! But the star screws for the skin won't budge!!! So I think, "well let me look at the switches in the console." There is no visible or easy way to get the switch module out, so my friend and I take apart the console to get the module out. We find out I could have pried it out with a screwdriver with a little damage.
Anyway, we take apart the switch module for a look and all these little metal and plastic parts start falling into crevices in the car! After we accidently rolled another window down.
I don't think there was anything wrong with the switches anyway. I should stop complaining about my Chrysler, it was easier and the switch wasn't made up of all little fly away parts.
Now I'm trying to put the console back together and it does not want to comply. As I'm trying to reassemble it, more parts are jamming, or falling out! So now, I have two windows down, parts of a console sticking up and a mess of a door. And my LeBaron (my original P.O.S.) needs a fuel pump!
So.... some advice, before, you start to try to fix power windows on a Saturn.
DON'T !!!!!!! Unless you know how.
Anybody want a 1991 SL2 93,000 miles
on Long Island, runs well, needs you to get it fixed, I give up!!!
Apr 30, 2001 (9:07 am)
I took the doors of my SL2 apart to install speakers. I would NOT advise that anyone do this unless you already know how. If a part inside the door broke, i would smile and have the dealer do it. It's very hard to access much of the inside mechanics, and it's also hard to reassemble it properly.
#677 of 1419 Doors, doors----------Horrors !!
Apr 30, 2001 (4:23 pm)
Tinker-toy door pieces parts. So much for LOW cost of ownership eh ?