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Saturn S-Series, Sedan
#664 of 1419 Dollars talk----------
Apr 24, 2001 (4:41 pm)
afkx:As critical as I've been about my "beloved" SC2 it has been totally reliable, I'll say that. As to buying the thing the lessor has made me a "deal I can hardly refuse" by cutting almost $2000 off the residual !! So much for the highly touted resale of Saturns. I would not actually be buying the car for myself as it was originally leased for business use. We will palm it off to one of the office staff or give it away at the annual company picnic in July. NOBODY will willingly take it over our fleet Ford Focus cars so it will be raffeled off to a employee N/C.
#665 of 1419 Dropping the residual----------
Apr 24, 2001 (4:50 pm)
soggydog:The residual on this car was originally $10,300 , 39 month lease $290 per month with NO money down, no security deposit. They have offered the car a buyout price $8000 last week !I think the MSRP was over $19,000, every option except leather and the special "Black Top" trim, special wheels, white gauges and upgraded tires. Way over priced in the first place IMHO .
Apr 24, 2001 (8:21 pm)
Funny thing is if you wanted another Saturn (I know you don't) you could trade it in and have equity. We love to get coupes at our dealership on trade. We literally sell them as fast as we get them in.
I'm still a bit confused tho. Why is it that everyone REFUSES to drive the car? Is it really that bad? I have driven the focus back to back with the Saturn SL2 and I actually liked the Saturn better.
#667 of 1419 A matter of "taste" ??
Apr 25, 2001 (10:29 am)
afk x:heck, I dunno, none of my employees just seemed to like the Saturn, especially when we got the six ZX3 hatchbacks into the fleet. There is NO comparison between the the two vehicles. The Fords are superior in EVERY way that I can see and I am not especially a Ford fan either. They excell in handling, fit and finish,NVH, and low,low noise levels highway speeds. A truly remarkable piece of engineering on Ford's part. No wonder they are the single largest seller in the world !! We have from 10K miles to 40K miles on them and NOT one single problem of any kind so far and the MPG is great (36mpg)in overall driving. Anyway, someone will get e "free" 1998 SC2 the picnic in july and it will be off my books.
#668 of 1419 True enough
Apr 25, 2001 (9:20 pm)
I just drove them back to back around the block, so I have no idea about highway speed noise levels. You are right that Ford has a winner on its hands, hard to argue with the level of the Focus sales.
The SL-2 / SC2 does have some key advantages however.
Saturn has better acceleration - crash test results (and LOTS of real world crash test results), and extremely low cost of ownership.
Of course I would be remiss if I failed to mention that the plastic panels Saturn owners enjoy keep the car dent free for many many many many many years. Funny thing is I have yet to see a dent in a panel. (Have seen dents on roofs)
Also you are comparing the 98 SC2 to a 2000 Focus. Saturn made large strides in quieting the engine in 99 and finalized it in 2000. Truely there is no comparison between a 98 and a 2000 for the smoothness and quietness of the engines. In fact when on the highway I am always impressed with how quiet my 2000 Saturn is! It is a LOT quieter than my wifes 98 Altima.
Lastly the level of Satisfaction you will recieve from the Sales department *ranked #1* which is mildly important - and the Service department *#1 by CR and #2 by J.D. Powers* which can change your ownership perspective forever.
#669 of 1419 I finally did it!!!
Apr 26, 2001 (10:04 am)
I took possession of my 2001 Saturn SL1 last night. So far so good... Needless to say, I had the most pleasant buying experience, EVER!!!! Everyone was very professional and friendly, right down to the service staff, and even the car wash staff!!!
What can I say, I think I'm hooked.
#670 of 1419 Mostly agree----------
Apr 26, 2001 (10:17 am)
afk x: I agree with most of the points you make. The noise I refer to is mostly "road noise" or road rumble, not really from the engine. The newer engines are indeed smoother and quieter than the 1998 mill. The noise from the "grained" surfaces on the secondary roads in Florida and Georgia are murder to my ears and I have avoided long trips in the SC2 and signed-out one of the "Foci" instead, much quieter !!
As to the low cost of ownership (at least on the '98)I think it has to be worse than most other econoboxes now out there. The recommended service intervals of oil change 3000mi,replace spark plugs 30,000 mi (most others are using platinum plugs that easly go 100K) and tranny service 30K does not a low cost maintenance vehicle make in my book. The timing chain vs a belt is a nice touch tho. Warranty will be voided if these intervals not followed. I feel this is juat a ploy to boost service revenue for Saturn. That's ok, they have to eat too I guess, but not on my nickle, LOL. If you factor in the disappointing resale (IMHO)then the Saturns are merely just another el-chepo GM rag tag attempt at building a small car. For the money a Cavalier or Sunfire, even allowing for the dismal reliability (GM again) of these cars, are a better buy.I do have a neat keepsake in the form of a color picture on a 1998 calandar of me taking delivery the dealer plus they do send me a birthday card on the anniversary date of the car and all those donuts and coffee in the customer lounge have to acccount for something,yes ?? LOL Good luck with yours.
#671 of 1419 Suspension
Apr 26, 2001 (10:56 am)
Very good point. The Suspension used on the Saturns is very dated. Interestingly enough Honda just went away from their wishbone to a setup similar to what Saturn uses.
As for mine, its a lease and I don't plan on buying it out. I'm going for an F150.
#672 of 1419 Excessive Oil Burning
Apr 26, 2001 (1:43 pm)
We just got a 92 SL2 with about 110,000 on it. It's burning oil excessively. About a quart in 150-200 miles. There appears to be no oil leak - and the exhaust is not showing a consistent trail of blue. Just a puff of blue once in a while - so little, that I didn't notice anything alarming in over an hour of test driving. Seems to run great or we wouldn't have bought it. I knew that SL's had a history of oil burning, so I wasn't scared off by the little bit of blue exhaust I did see while testing it. Any suggestions (besides new engine) on what I can do to slow the burning process?
Apr 26, 2001 (6:18 pm)
Loss of oil may just be a leaky gasket somewhere you don't see. It may not be a big deal. At 110K miles I would expect some leaks. Have it checked out by a good mechanic if you have one...