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Saturn S-Series, Sedan
#506 of 1419 Saturn SL's to come......
Nov 13, 2000 (2:00 am)
If your car is only 6 years young, I would definitly hold on to it for a couple more years. Saturn has made improvements to thier original car line, quieter engines in 1999, better pricing on MSRP, and options for 2001. The SL2's Horsepower rating remains competitive with other current cars.
The Saturn S series has not had a major makeover due to lack of investment dollars from GM. Dollars which are coming, and waiting for a 2003 Saturn S Series should prove to be worth the wait. I have a 98 Saturn SL, which has been great. I plan on leasing a 2001 SL to contiue to support the brand while waiting for completely redesigned 2003-2004 S Series which I hope to purchase.
Nov 13, 2000 (11:27 pm)
That sounds like good advice. I so like the car that it will be good for me to follow the changes and all the information I glean from this BB.
I am becoming a Saturn Freak and enjoy collecting information on the car. I hope that GM really supports it because I definitely want to own one someday. I do believe they are a "Different Kind of Car Company."
My mother owns a '99 SL2 so I do feel a little like I'm part of the Saturn family.
#508 of 1419 Respect.
Nov 15, 2000 (6:49 pm)
Let's face it. With a few exceptions there is very little difference between most small sedans. Honda, Toyota, Ford, Chevy, and Chrysler all have pretty good offerings. Bluster all we want it still comes down to personnel preference. In the case of Saturn there are some very good reasons some people will buy one. Many owners that have other cars might say, "big deal" when scratch and dent resistant doors are mentioned, but most other small cars don't have them. It is one of the reasons a three year old Saturn, on average, looks newer than a three year old other car. The styling may look rather simple compared to many cars but remember how dated some more radical looking cars look after only a few years. Remember tail fins? The shape that cuts the air best will always come back so the wedge and rounded corners will always be in style.
For me it comes down to the company itself. Think about how you are treated. Saturn practices what it preaches and that is what brings customers back time and time again. In the review pages I saw the comment that the Saturn may be priced better than some of the competitors but you might want to shop around because if you work at it you might be able to get some of the dealers to come down as much as $3000.00 due to rebates and incentives. I say why bother? I like being treated like a customer not a rube waiting to be took. Being treated with respect has to be worth something. When you look at all the customer responses Saturn is right up there with Lexus in customer satisfaction. Sales, service, parts all treat you like you are important. Not like many the other dealers I went to when looking to buy a new car. The Subaru dealer pretended that my trade in was only worth a " few bucks", and started out high planning on working down in price so I would feel I had been given a deal. Some sales people and dealers must not realize that we have access to sites like this, and Kelly Blue book also.
Saturn is designed from the bottom up to believe the customer comes first and that being a horse trader is a thing of the past. There was no second sales person, meetings with the manager and last but not least the "closer". One man, pick the car, pick the options, and here was the price. Simple and quick. The company also offers classes on how to service your car, for free. " So what?" some might say? "`I already know how to service a car." Isn't it better that a person the does servicing for a living is willing to show you how it is done? More companies should offer this. Maybe if they did someone wouldn't feel that replacing a defective alternator was a "major" repair. My wife could do it. It is easy to be satisfied with a car, just pick what you like and take care of it. If you want to be satisfied with a experience as well as a car I believe you can't go wrong with a Saturn.
Nov 15, 2000 (9:48 pm)
I agree with you on that. The people at Saturn have been great to me and my wife. We have only had it in the shop three times for repairs since we bought it in 1994. They give us a loaner each time and treated us like kings. The last repair when i replaced a front axle they even replaced the windshield wipers for free and aired up my tires, washed the car and other stuff like that. I just bought a Chevy Impala and while I love this car the dealership I bought It from ain't Saturn.
#510 of 1419 2 cents on styling changes
Nov 15, 2000 (9:52 pm)
The old VW beetle had the same body style for years and that didn't keep people from buying them. In my opinion, the less a body style is changed the better because I drive my cars for 10 years or 150,000 miles then get another. If body parts are needed, can always get another at a auto recycler at fraction of cost of dealer or body shop prices.
#511 of 1419 Service and changes
Nov 15, 2000 (10:49 pm)
When people complain about dependability they often aren't aware of what others that own the same model of car have to say. Often it isn't that the part broke but rather how easy is it to fix. I like you have had nothing but good experiences from my dealer. And I have had more than one dealer in my driving life. My worse experience was with Jeep. I doubt if I would ever get another one, and if I did it would never see a dealer. I like the idea that many repairs can be made on this new car by me. I also like the idea that they had a cross section of a Saturn engine for me to look at. I was shocked to see they had a real timing chain...not a rubber belt. It would seem that they expected to see these cars last.
I agree that some styles are classic. And the simple ones seem to be around for a while. Besides take one look at the PT Cruiser and you will see that smooth curves must have some appeal.
#512 of 1419 The Saturn Family Values
Nov 16, 2000 (12:05 am)
I must say that it is very nice to see so many happy Saturn owners in here lately. Saturn's core values are trust and respect for the individual, teamwork, and value. I have a 1998 Saturn SL and have only had one warranty repair done in 2 and a half years. My ignition control module was acting up , and apon 30 minutes notice I gave my Saturn retailer, they took me in right away and fixed it. I was very impressed.
I personally like the way Saturns look , and appreciate the super low maintenance costs compared to the Corolla, and Civic. I intend lease a 2001 S series in a few months. I intend to wait till the new 2003 S Series comes out to purchase. Saturn of course isn't perfect, but what car is? Overall, I am very satisfied with my car and service.
#513 of 1419 Good reasons
Nov 17, 2000 (6:06 am)
I was looking at some earlier posts and I noticed how some people are more than willing to point out how foolish some of us were to buy a Saturn. Many tell us that we should buy a Honda or a Toyota, or even a Nissan. We might respond that Saturn has a 87 percent approval rating by it's owners and is second only to Lexus in Service. But they point out that their choice is so much better. They tell us we are blind to quality and have a false sense of brand loyalty. From those of us that have been around cars for a while maybe we could get a little respect for our choice if a few things were pointed out.
I remember when Honda first started selling cars in this country. How many people remember getting a free Honda 600 when you bought a Olds? I remember a dealer doing that. And believe me I remember what a poor car that was. But people bought it. And they got the next two models also...remember just before the civic came out they had that little car with the fish bowl looking window? And people paid good money for them. They had their reasons I am sure but they were light years behind a good domestic car. Shoot, if they wouldn't have lowered the speed limit nationally they would never make it to the speed limit. Toyotas weren't much better. They were cheep little cars that may or may not have gone 50,000 miles. Nissan was just as bad. They were afraid to use the parent company name and decided to market them as Datsuns remember? Square, slow ugly little boxes. Some might say, "oh they weren't that bad," but I had a B-210 and I can confirm that they were that bad. You had to downshift to get over a cigar butt. And still people bought them. The companies didn't even offer a 3 year 30,000 mile guarantee. All they got was good gas milage, period. People stuck with them and today they are pretty good cars. Are they light years ahead of Saturn? No, and Saturn offers something very few of them do. Honest service and respect for the customer. I think it is time they can learn something else from us.
#514 of 1419 My Dependable 1991 SL2
Nov 21, 2000 (2:10 pm)
I have a first-year production 1991 SL2. It still looks new in-and-out. It drives exacty as it did new back in July 1991. It has just under 160,000 miles on it. It burns about 3/4 of a quart of oil every 3000 miles. I replaced the original alternator at 110,000 miles, the driver-side window regulator just last year, and the original brakes at 115,000 - just as a precaution. I've had to replace the oxygen sensor once, and the MAP sensor once - both were very inexpensive. It rattles at idle as it has from day one. I still believe that the 1991's are the best year. It came stock with aluminum wheels, hand-bent headers, aluminum valve cover, thick anti-sway bars, and it still has a tendency to peel out when shifting into second gear (only when the transmission switch is set to 'performance'). I've had this car for almost ten years, and I doubt another ten will make any difference - as long as I stick to the maintenance schedule. I know other people who haven't been as fortunate, but their cars weren't maintained or treated nearly as well as mine. FYI: If you're replacing the alternator, ignore the instructions! The alternator fits (just barely) over the transaxle. You'll still want to disconnect the negative battery cable. Only a few common tools are needed. It took me only 20 minutes from start to finish! I purchased my alternator through Autozone, with a lifetime replacement warranty for only $134.05.
#515 of 1419 Glad to here about the 91.
Nov 21, 2000 (3:02 pm)
Dependable is the reason many of us turned to Saturn. The owners tend to think Saturns are good cars, the car mags seem to think they are dependable and they place well in all the surveys. The dealers treat you like a person and parts are easy to get. I'm glad to hear that someone likes their ten year old Saturn as much as nice91sl2 does. Lets me know I have a lot of good years ahead of me.