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Saturn S-Series, Sedan
Jun 13, 2000 (6:15 pm)
I have a suggestion for you. Why don't you open the hood and use the little yellow stick, called an oil dip stick. This would have prevented you from running out of oil.
I think its great that Saturn split the difference with you on the replacement cost. Just make sure you check the oil at least once a week and you shouldn't have any problems.
My 2000 Saturn as well as the 94 never use any oil.
#352 of 1419 fredfred3-powerflush
Jun 13, 2000 (9:32 pm)
Thanks! I'll talk to my mechanic this weekend. Will let you know the results.
It is nice to know that there are people for whom Saturn has been a completely or nearly flawless car. I think my string of bad luck started with the fact that I had to go to the dealership early on for warranty repairs. First repairs were done in such a sloppy way that I had consequential problems and it snowballed. I have gone to the dealership a lot during the first 3 warranty years.
Now after 5 years, the car seems to be generally OK but I do not feel that it is a reliable car any more. Although I have been doing all my maintenance when called for and I know I have been doing it right.
#353 of 1419 goldstrom and ewesson
Jun 13, 2000 (11:55 pm)
I agree with goldstrom there. I have checked the oil in my new Hyundai 2 or 3 times and it only has 2500 miles. It is always a good idea with a brand new car to check the oil once a week because they tend to use a little oil when breaking in. Mine has used only a miniscule amount of oil, so I haven't added any yet. I am still keeping an eye on it though. Once the break-in period is over, there is no reason why you shouldn't check the oil at least once a month. I shudder to think what would happen if ewesson ever bought a Mazda RX7. That car burns oil by design and REQUIRES an oil level check every 2 weeks. I usually have to add a half quart once a month. I guess some people feel they should never have to look under the hood, but it is just common sense. I do it just for peace of mind. I hope you have learned a valuable lesson ewesson!
#354 of 1419 dannyg norbert444
Jun 14, 2000 (4:14 am)
I think the entire service cost about $60. It cleaned the fuel injectors and the carbon from the motor. Actually it wasn't called a "powerflush," I just have been using that term because I can't remember the name of the service. I only had about 40,000 miles on the car at the time. I was having the injectors cleaned just as routine maintenence and they suggested I have the complete service done. The car wasn't pinging or anything but I did notice an increase in power. I was very satisfied with the service and plan to do it at routine intervals from now on.
Ingtonge: About cars using a lot of oil during break in, yes I have noticed that too. My new Ford Ranger also has about 2500 miles on it and has used maybe a 1/2 quart so far. Don't they usually use thinner oil during the break in period? I know when you have an engine rebuilt they do. I have also had two new Hyndai's in the past and never had to add any oil to either.
Jun 14, 2000 (5:00 pm)
How were those 2 Hyundais you owned? Which models were they and were they a nightmare or a reliable car? Just curious if you ran into any major problems with them. So far I have had no problems with mine and it seems to be built very solidly, so I think it should be a reliable car for a long time.
Jun 14, 2000 (5:17 pm)
What was the additive you used to reduce oil consumpotion? Must it be used in every change, or is it something you use once then consumption is reduced? I would love this because with my very high mileage, I dump in a quart every 2 weeks or so.
Jun 14, 2000 (7:27 pm)
I don't remember the name of the additive. I first read about a similar product in Car and Driver, then I looked for it and found this at Wal-Mart. Next time I'm there, I'll look for it and let you know. It was only about $4.50, but it does recommend repeating at each oil change. I'm hoping it will last longer. My car has now gone 3,000 miles without adding any oil. But it didn't use as much as yours to begin with. I've only been adding about a quart every 3,000 miles.
I almost killed my engine too when I first realized it was consuming oil. It had been 6-7k miles since an oil change and it started losing power on a trip. I continued to drive another 50 miles before I thought to check the oil. It only had about a quart left in it! I think the reason it didn't burn up is because I use slick 50 at recommended intervals. Supposedly, a car can run with no oil for a while if you use it.
To the ewesson: No one should have to worry about their engine using 4 quarts of oil in 4,500 miles. That is outrageous for a low mileage car. At the same time, I understand that it was your responsibility to make sure your car is full of oil. If you'd noticed the oil consumption before 36K, the warranty would have covered any cost to repair the oil consumption (one would hope).
#358 of 1419 Oil once again
Jun 14, 2000 (8:58 pm)
Goldstrom et al: Fortunately for me I don't have to check the oil every time I fill up with gas, as I sold my Saturn a long time ago. I still do occasionally check the oil in my vehicles, but definitely not at every fillup. So far not a drop drank.
I am perfectly aware where the oil dipstick is, and even commented in one earlier posts that I changed the oil myself. I do care about my cars. So no need for your sarcastic tone. In fact, you would realize your sarcasm was misplaced had you read the earlier posts.
I repeat one of my earlier points: the problem is not so much that Saturn makes an engine that drinks oil; it's that they don't take any responsibility for it. I would be a lot less irate if Saturn had informed me that it was important to check the oil frequently. How about putting "Check oil" as a 500 mile service interval? Or, for that matter, putting in an oil pressure sensor that actually warns of oil pressure low enough to result in engine damage?
If I had bought a RX7, I hope I would have been made aware of its oil consumption tendencies. I might anticipate oil consumption with the rotary engine, but Mazda shouldn't expect I would become aware of it by osmosis. As it was, the first I heard of these tendencies was after the engine blew.
For perspective: I owned, drove, and raced a Datsun 510. It had in it a used, lightly modified motor, and I put additional miles on it to bring the total to around 80K. I drove this car very hard, frequently running the 1.8 liter motor to 7K rpm. The car was totaled (not by me, another story there), and I sold the engine for several hundred bucks. The guy checked the compression on my garage floor and it was still quite strong. And the motor still didn't drink any oil.
So you can perhaps understand that I was surprised to find that my Saturn motor had an appetite for oil. It's just not something you expect in a new car.
Jun 15, 2000 (3:28 am)
Both Hyundai's were the Excel model, which they don't make anymore, and were bought brand-new. The first one one was a 1990 and never gave me any problems. I put 130,000 miles on it in 4 years and the car ran great, but I was hit at a stop sign one day and, although it was a very minor accident it totaled the car.
The second, a 1994, wasan't as good. I had to have the transaxle rebuilt at 40,000 miles and by 80,000 miles it needed a valve job and a whole new wire harness. THe dealer told me it would cost more to fix it than the car was worth. Both car were very well maintained. The 1990 I believe had a Mitsubishi built motor and the 1994 had a Hyundai built motor. But at that time they only came with a 36,000 mile warranty, not the 100k one like now.
Jun 15, 2000 (3:39 am)
I have to agree with you about the sarcastic tone of goldstrom's post. Saturnboy used to do the same exact thing which is what I found so offputting about him. And, as you observed with goldstrom, he also had a knack for putting his foot in his mouth. Somehow, I just can't shake the feeling that goldstrom IS Saturnboy, since I know he can't really bear to stay away.