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Saturn S-Series, Sedan
Mar 09, 2000 (8:47 pm)
Saturn did not start it's 39 month lease program untill the 1999 model year. Due to the fact that they switched from Chase Finance Corp. to GMAC, which I think was to help GM make some bucks after their dreaded strike by UAW workers in late 1998.
In all fairness, Toyota is doing 39 month leases nationwide also. It's just a marketing gimick designed to make the car companys money. However have you looked at maintenance costs for the Saturn SL, compare it to the Corrolla VE. They have all of these facts available to you at Saturn. The Corrolla VE is over double what it costs to maintain the Saturn SL. They are about the Same price to lease, althou I think the Corrolla actually requires more money down then the Saturn.
Don't over look the free carwashs, the polimer doors that don't rust or ding, that means less $$$ from your pocket when you turn it back in, no dings, no cost to you. The service from my own experience has been wonderful. My aunt bought a LS1 thanks to me and couldn't be happier.
I have a 1998 SL and haven't had any problems so far knock on wood. My monthly payment is $129.00 a month, and I added the car care package for an extra $14 a month. I could not have found a better value for the money. Would I buy another one>? Yes. Good luck.
#116 of 1419 39 month lease
Mar 09, 2000 (11:36 pm)
Probably lets them fan out the lease a bit more and make the individual payments a little bit cheaper. Maybe the residual doesn't change much between 36 and 39 months, I dunno. Not sure why you'd perfer a 36 month lease ( i guess you probably have reasons ) but if I were leasing, I don't think I'd care too much. Usually when there's a special lease you can't negotiate too much on the downpayment or the term, though I'd just call and ask if I were you. Maybe it could be set up so that at 36 months there would be a very small buyout which the dealer could cover. Be creative. They may be more flexible on these issues than i think. The ls2 lease for 299 per month and zero down is particularly sweet.
Mar 12, 2000 (4:27 am)
Friend of mine just bought the new Saturn with a v6 engine and all the stuff. cost her $22K dealer profit was $2,800 that buys a lot of free donuts and coffee. I am watching to see how this very bland looking vehicle survives. Hey Saturnboy I finally know someone who owns one - never thought that would happen. I'll let you know how it goes
Mar 12, 2000 (5:13 am)
Im sure it will go fine despite what you may claim happens to this smart womans vehicle. I have 2 Saturns in the family, one of which IS an LS1. Saturn Sales are up lately, and sales consultants are predicting another Saturn Sales boom during the 2001 fiscal year. Wish her good luck with her LS even thou she won't need it.
#119 of 1419 Saturn Quality
Mar 13, 2000 (3:13 am)
I am thinking about getting a new car and considering a standard Saturn SL but am very concerned about quality. I am very good about maintaining my cars and always change the oil at 3000 intervals with Mobil 1. How do Saturns hold up if properly maintianed? Also, does the service department stand behind their new cars. I bought a used (non GM) car from a Saturn Dealer and after a few weeks the car started burning oil. The service department told me to talk to the used car manager as he had to make all final decisions. The used car manager said he did not know anything about cars and told me to talk to the service department. They kept this charade up with me calling 5 times a day and making repeated trips to the dealership until the warranty ran out. Then they claimed that I had not reported the problem. So I am very leary about doing business with Saturn again. Any advice on how they are with new cars?
Mar 13, 2000 (5:46 pm)
The color of her LS2 is plum silver, in spite of the bland styling the color is gorgeous! The leather interior looks pretty nice (gray). Ergonomically the window lift buttons are on the console instead of the door. She was also surprised after delivery that the V6 engine requires premium fuel. And that the fuel tank holds only 13.1 gallons instead of the 17 gallons more typical in this class. City/highway rating is 20/26, that means a lot of pit stops on a long trip. Huge trunk, within .5 cubic ft of a Buick LeSabre. I'm tracking it but just to make you grin like a possum Saturnboy, she loves it.
Mar 13, 2000 (8:09 pm)
Why is it you are so defensive? God Almighty man you won't even allow someone to disagree with you about a car!!!! You take it as a personal insult because I (a very studious car nut) choose to recommend another car to someone who is simply asking for advice. You are allowed to have your opinion and I give you that - but you have no right to attack my opinions or my advice just because they disagree with yours. The crusaders had the same mind set. It's a personality thing gang, we all must agree with Saturnboy or risk him attacking and encouraging others to do so. This is a column for opinions man, and mine happens to disagree with yours. If you don't like it sic Dave on me. Get a real life and go find a real cause to champion, like the homeless or the poor. They need someone with your excessive zeal. In the mean time I'm here and I'll give my opinion when asked - or if I just feel like it. Get a life man.
Mar 13, 2000 (9:54 pm)
I'm fairly sure the manual and window sticker for the LS2 say regular fuel is OK. As for the window controls on the center console, that is an ergonomic thing I think is a big plus. You have to move your right hand off the wheel off the time (shifting, climate, radio )and you get used to having the left on and operating things with the right. Plus the passenger has access to the window controls. The fuel tank is a bit small; I think they should increase it's capacity. Still about 300 miles per tank, probably not that inconvienent for most people, but I'd like more.
I am not being sic-ed on you by anyone, hope you don't take this as a sic-ing. Your opinion of the car above sounds pretty fair to me. I'm just differing about the premium fuel issue, giving my opinion about the window switch position, and agreeing about the fuel tank. I also like the looks, but that's highly subjective. Hope this leaves no permanent scars.
Mar 13, 2000 (10:04 pm)
Well, mine has about 80K miles, and has had no mechanical problems, though it is not as "tight" as it used to be; the weatherstripping around the windows got loose and I rubber-cememnted it in place ( this was recently, long out of warranty ).
The service department sure did stand behind it's new car in my case, they even fixed things I had clearly broken. Aside from that it's been no repiars and very little maintenence. By 100K miles (soon) I figure I'll have saved enough in maintenence over other cars to give it away free and break even. Obviously, that won't guarantee the same experience to you. Also, that dealer sounds bad. The dealers are independantly owned, and maybe another in your area would be better. Good luck.
#124 of 1419 Macarthur2/ who's immature again?
Mar 14, 2000 (2:07 am)
Incase you have failed to notice, when I discuss reasons to buy a Saturn( which you oviously don't believe in because of their world famous "no haggle , no hassle") one price policy, I present my reasoning with COLD HARD FACTS. Saturn won the 2000 bovy award from www.intellichoice.com and have done so for the last 7 years . FACT. This was accomplished by a combination between low maintenance costs, low insurance costs, high resale value, and good reliability.
Saturn was the only car in the light car class starting in the 1999 model year and continuing the tradition to win double 5 STARS for safety by the National Traffic and Highway Saftey Administraition, www.nhtsa.com FACT.
Saturn consistently achieves a top 10 spot in JD powers customer satisfaction ratings , always near luxury nameplates costing thousands more, www.jdpower.com FACT. Also with JD powers, Saturn has and continues to have good reliability according to JD power & associates.
So it is clear to anyone who actually reads these posts that I am not simply posting opinions, I am posting FACTS backed up by leading automotive research companies. It is a consumer's choice to buy what they wish, and I encourage them to shop around. Some will buy Saturn's , some won't .
It is also clear that "YOU were the only one posting opinions as to why you thought people should not buy Saturns. That is your opinion. In a qote you made " I would not buy one cause you pay full sticker price for a car" . THAT is an opinion, YOURS. See what another edmunds.com member had to say about this situation..
"macarthur2: How is saturnboy a zealot, and you now
one? He's expresing his opinion just like you.
At least he can se both sides of the issue, present
his opinions as such, and refer to facts. This is
more than you've done. How has he stopped you
from expressing your feelings, exactly? He just
rebuked youe statements, and you can't handle it.
So, who's immature?
I do like other cars, I do compare cars, The honda civic and toyota corrolla are very fine automobiles, and the majority of people that buy them will be happy I assume. I used to own a toyota and a nissan. They were decent cars at the time and lived up to what I expected from them. I always attempt to give facts when discussing reasons to buy a car or not. When have YOU done so with the protege for example? YOU DID NOT. And their certainly are many good FACTS out their about the Mazda Protege, you simply did not take the time to post them, other then sounding off your own OPINIONS, Notions, as to why you liked the "other" car better. In the end this chat forum accomplishs nothing other then kaos, it offers little or no real facts about any car, so I am seriously considering not coming here anymore since this waste of time accomplishes nothing. Macarthur is NOT a SATURN believer, and never has been, never will be. Thats fine. Thats his choice. I refuse to go into chat rooms and simply say why I don't like the car other people are driving, and not support that with facts. No further comment.