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#932 of 1038 Re: 2006 Top Gear review [proe] by jb_shin Aug 26, 2005 (8:15 am)
Replying to: proe (Aug 26, 2005 5:47 am) Exactly what the other poster said about the review. Jeremy Clarkson, the topgear host always starts out in one direction and does 180 to make a point. Sometimes he will spend too much time doing that than making actual point, so I'd not judge the car based on his approach.
#933 of 1038 2006 M5 by proe Aug 26, 2005 (6:01 pm)
A piece of info that I found very troubling is at end of the show when Jeremy mentioned that when he drove the car on the track all the warning lights of DSC and other safety features came up flashing, and the car had to be towed after "Stick" drove around the track for the official time.   I mean you spend $90k+ for a car that is meant to be driven like a race car, yet in the back of your mind, you have this disturbing thought of what if the car decides to quit on me under "normal" driving condition at nowhere, then how am I going to get home as if it happened before.   All the reviews have been focused on the performance of the car, and the new 2006 M5 is still the King of the Sedan, and no one is saying otherwise. Somehow, I still feel like the quality should be better and the iDrive should be more Acura RL like. Replies to this message: kdshapiro (Aug 26, 2005 7:31 pm) kyfdx (Aug 26, 2005 8:15 pm) proe (Aug 27, 2005 8:27 pm) proe (Aug 27, 2005 8:35 pm) kdshapiro (Aug 28, 2005 5:14 am)
#934 of 1038 Re: 2006 M5 [proe] by kdshapiro Aug 26, 2005 (7:31 pm)
Replying to: proe (Aug 26, 2005 6:01 pm) You cannot buy the car, it probably is a pre-production model that got abused. Every car that gets slammed around like this, whether it be American, German or Japanese will have issues. Replies to this message: kyfdx (Aug 26, 2005 8:15 pm) proe (Aug 27, 2005 8:27 pm) proe (Aug 27, 2005 8:35 pm) kdshapiro (Aug 28, 2005 5:14 am)
#935 of 1038 Re: 2006 M5 [kdshapiro] by kyfdx HOST Aug 26, 2005 (8:15 pm)
Replying to: kdshapiro (Aug 26, 2005 7:31 pm) Not only that... read a few C&D car reviews... "Oh yeah, we had to replace a clutch at 15K miles, due to our 0-60 testing runs.."   "We didn't get the full lap numbers, because on the second run, the brakes overheated and gave out."   Basically, no street car comes from the factory, with the capability to handle the abuse that car reviewers give it...   Ask anyone who tracks their car... Do they take them out totally stock? Not likely...   regards, kyfdx Replies to this message: proe (Aug 27, 2005 8:27 pm)
#936 of 1038 Re: 2006 M5 [kyfdx] by proe Aug 27, 2005 (8:27 pm)
Replying to: kyfdx (Aug 26, 2005 8:15 pm) Basically, no street car comes from the factory, with the capability to handle the abuse that car reviewers give it...   Porsche 911 4S comes in mind from the long term test in May 2005 issue of C&D, and they mentioned that they did not have any problem of the clutch during the long term test after two clutch-slipping acceleration -test sessions.   Needless for me to remind you that BMW has gone though all of the abuses that could possibly happen, so it is all covered. It is a standard practice.   Ask anyone who tracks their car... Do they take them out totally stock? Not likely...   I have to agree with you if we are talking about Acura RSX or Honda Civic, but we are talking BMW M5, which is designed to be able to challenge Porsche 911. Tell me what are the modifications you need in order for M5 to run on the tracks?
#937 of 1038 Re: 2006 M5 [kdshapiro] by proe Aug 27, 2005 (8:35 pm)
Replying to: kdshapiro (Aug 26, 2005 7:31 pm) You cannot buy the car, it probably is a pre-production model that got abused. Every car that gets slammed around like this, whether it be American, German or Japanese will have issues.   That scares me even more, meaning BMW is going to sell a product that is not going to be very reliable at all. The fact is people who buy M5 will not drive it like Accord, and they will abuse the car not once but every opportunity it presents. Sorry, I forgot that they don't really care because they have money to buy another one if this one breaks down. Replies to this message: kdshapiro (Aug 28, 2005 5:14 am)
#938 of 1038 Re: 2006 M5 [proe] by kdshapiro Aug 28, 2005 (5:14 am)
Replying to: proe (Aug 27, 2005 8:35 pm) "That scares me even more, meaning BMW is going to sell a product that is not going to be very reliable at all. "   LOL. And they'll sell every one of them, but I don't understand what you're talking about in general.   Through the years, I remember reading in the rags pre-production cars even high-end Porsches that have been used in this fashion have had issues. Even if this conversation was about a production car I would't be worried. The cars used in these tests gets abused. No car in the world is meant to take constant jack rabbit starts.   You have this incorrect. Every Porsche is meant to tracked first and used on the street second (maybe with the exception of the Boxster). Most BMWs are very capable on the track, but they are street cars. The 5 series is a street vehicle. The M5 is a street vehicle on steriods. Whatever capabilities BMW endowed it with is for bragging rights on the street only.   So I guess you're not going to be getting the new M5. :wink
#939 of 1038 2006 M5 Price by awax Sep 03, 2005 (5:30 pm)
I am in the Air Force and stationed overseas. I can order a 2006 M5 through BMWs military sales for delivery at any dealer in the US. I was quoted $83,000 for the 2006 M5 with every option available delivered in Jan/Feb 2006.   Since I can't visit dealerships in the US, I am having trouble determining if this is a fair deal. I have tried to phone a few dealerships. As expected, they are very cautious with telephone call inquiries.   Does anyone have any feedback for me? Good price? Are M5s expected to be a hot seller for dealerships? Limited supply?   My other option is to go with a 2006 550i for $63,000.   Thanks for the help! Replies to this message: kdshapiro (Sep 03, 2005 5:51 pm) jb_shin (Sep 07, 2005 2:38 pm) avatt (Sep 08, 2005 2:40 pm) awax (Sep 09, 2005 5:47 am) jb_shin (Sep 09, 2005 9:53 am)
#940 of 1038 Re: 2006 M5 Price [awax] by kdshapiro Sep 03, 2005 (5:51 pm)
Replying to: awax (Sep 03, 2005 5:30 pm) "Are M5s expected to be a hot seller for dealerships? Limited supply? "   It's hard to tell whether the M5 will be a hot seller or not. My impression, only based on the musings of the rags, is it will be a hot seller. Unless you really need a 500hp under the bonnet, the 550 is the best luxury drivers sedan made.
#941 of 1038 2002 E55 by kippcar Sep 05, 2005 (5:09 am)
Have a seller with an '02 E55 with, get this, 4700 miles. I had to verify with him three times on the mileage. Last service gave full verification. He is looking at the high 30's, which I believe is a decent figure. How is the reliability on these. Obviously, the press has been hammering MB and other German auto makers. I currently own an '04 ES330 with which I am totally disappointed (tranny) and will never buy that brand again. Anybody out there have good, bad or indifferent stories to tell on the service on this machine. Thanks, Kippcar.

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