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You are in the Sedans
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Jaguar XJR, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, BMW M5, Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG, Audi S6, Maserati Quattroporte, Audi S8, Sedan
Apr 14, 2003 (10:27 pm)
I kinda figured how those tests would come out, Mercedes just isn't going to deviate from the straight-line stability theme long enough or loosen the grip of their safety systems to match those other cars once the road starts to twist. What I am impressed with is Audi. I never thought I'd see the day C&D would rank an Audi over a BMW. Auto, Motor und Sport also picked the S4 over the M3, and get this the M3 came in last there...BEHIND the C32. GO AUDI! It's about time. And there isn't a new M3 for a while yet, so Audi may be able to really gain some points here.
Does anyone else here get Auto, Motor und Sport? They had a comparo between the 760Li and the S600. The S600 won. BMW thought they were going to crush the 2001-2002 S600 (362hp) with their new 443hp 760Li, but Mercedes said...NOPE.
So lets see, the victories:
M5 - 1 (Automobile/CAR same writer and article)
RS6 -1 (Car and Driver)
E55 - 0
S-Type R - 0
Apr 15, 2003 (9:26 pm)
No, the E55 was in all the above tests. It was the new 2003 S600 (493hp) that won against the 760Li.
Apr 16, 2003 (7:36 am)
Having driven a 2001 S500 for nearly 3 years now, and the S600 recently, I have to add that no matter how fine and powerful they make these cars. They will never be as agile or fun to drive as a smaller car; say the E55.
For me, the C32 is too small, the S500 a tad too big. I should have bought that 2001 E55 3 years ago instead of the S.
Still waiting for a test drive on the '04 E55.
Apr 16, 2003 (4:22 pm)
The E55 definitely is more fun to drive, but wouldnt the S600 be much more comfortable?
Apr 16, 2003 (6:53 pm)
Sure, the S600 will be more comfortable than the E55, but not by that much.
For sheer comfort, the motorized Lazy Boy Lexus LS430 is probably the most luxurious moving bedroom around.
But of course, boring to drive hard.
Apr 23, 2003 (2:40 pm)
merc1, maybe you can clear this up for me. At first I heard that MB was bringing over an S62 AMG. I read this is a comparison article from Automobile mag between the S600 and 760iL. Any truth to this? I wish they would bring the CL65 over instead. That car has no rival. 612 hp and an electronically limited 738 lbs-ft. The car actually makes 884 lbs-ft but obviously this would be too much for the tranny, wheels, halfshafts, shoot the whole freakin drivetrain. If i had my choice to own any car it would definately be a CL55 AMG. I finally got to sit in one at the New York auto show. Amazing. I must applaud Benz, they realize that raw displacement and force induction is the easiest, most reliable and cost efficient way to produce supercar numbers. I mean the CL65 has the same HP as Porsche's upcoming Carerra GT and mountains more torque. While BMW worries about handling Benz is all about heroic power, which is what I'm about. BMW will reach a dead end soon. The Valvetronic engine has serious limitations, mainly limited rpm. Because of the trick eccentric "3rd" camshaft over each bank, current rpm cannot exceed about 6200 rpm. I do know of a company that supercharges the 4.4L although how reliable it is anyones guess. Also, the can't increase the displacement of their M engines because as we all know increased CCs mean decreased revs. I'm skeptical of these V-10s being introduced. First Lambo, then Porsche now BMW. No one will be able to topple Benz off the horsepower pedestal except for maybe Cadillac. They've been experimenting with a V-12 for some time now. And we all know GM is not affraid of forced induction. Once their six speed transmission is introduced in the next model year or two, watch out Benz.
Apr 23, 2003 (2:42 pm)
Cadillac's upcoming CTS-V has the current M5 spanked at the price point of an M3.
Apr 23, 2003 (3:20 pm)
Did they have the 2004 E55 at the show? Is the interiors better than the stock E500 ?
Apr 23, 2003 (3:24 pm)
Yes, they had the E55. The interior is pretty much the same. The wood is also darker and there's more metallic trim. I think the E500 has a warmer look than the E55.