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You are in the Sedans
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Jaguar XJR, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, BMW M5, Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG, Audi S6, Maserati Quattroporte, Audi S8, Sedan
#571 of 1045 New E-55
Oct 12, 2002 (5:25 am)
I am on the list for a new E-55 but have some trepidation about getting it. Of the last five Mercedes I have owned- 2- 2001 E-55's, a 2002 CL500, a 2003 SL500 and a 2003 CLK500, I can safely say that the build quality left me cold on all of them except for the CLK (believe it or not) and this may just be the law of averages.
My other concern is with the technical complexity which both BMW and Mercedes seemed infatuated with, at the expense of the driving experience. The new brakes on the SL500 and E500 are unplesant and difficult to modulate. This along with all the rattles was the reason I sold my SL500 after only two months (it also weighed too much and wasn't much fun to drive). The new reports on the airmatic suspension on the E500 don't sound promising either. We don't have to mention the I-drive disaster from the BMW.
Is Mercedes trying to distract us with gadgets so we don't notice how much they charge and how poorly they build them???
Oct 12, 2002 (8:36 pm)
What negative reports about the E500's Airmatic have you seen? I've seen nothing but priaise for the E500's suspension setup, even Car and Driver (BMW central) "liked" the car.
Oct 13, 2002 (7:52 am)
Why 2 2001 E55's ? One for the lover ?
I also loved the CLK55, but I sometimes need to put a baby in the back, need 2 more doors..
Did you get any schedule for the 2004 E55 from your dealership?
#574 of 1045 Delivery
Oct 17, 2002 (7:02 am)
My dealer says this September, but I am hearing it may be sooner.
Oct 18, 2002 (5:40 am)
I recently purchased a 2001 XJR and was wondering if anyone could tell me their experiences with the car. I am also looking to replace the headlights with the Phillips superbright, anyone know where to get them. Thanks.
Oct 18, 2002 (7:41 pm)
I replaced my 2001 XJR (bought in 2000) with a Saab convertible, but it was not because anything was wrong with the XJR. It is a superb car.
For me, it was just that Jaguar service, at least where I live, started to go on a downward spiral, and they did not seem to be as committed to keeping me happy as they were. They charged me over $2k for something that should have been done under warranty, lost my trust, and I can act very quickly when that is the case. I think Jaguar started changing a lot with the arrival of the S and X type - good for Jag profitability, not good for what I expect out of my particular car brand choice.
The XJR would still be my top choice out of all these super-limos, each and every time out, though, based on its value proposition. The new XJ looks bublier and has lost me as a potential target customer, though - just like I'd never consider the E55 or M5, either. Get the old model - it is the last of the dying breed of true British cars: unique, quirky, and superb if you buy into what they stand for.
I thought owning the XJR in CA was like owning a racehorse and having it pull the proverbial plough, though. Fun in a thoroughly inpractical way, but with Jag service milking me as a profit center within 18 months of buying a $70k car, no thanks, it gets too inpractical, and I guess I am not passionate enough about a 4-door sedan to go through that. The Saab, a Rolls Convertible and a motorcycle in my garage attest to my utter commitment to inpracticality, but Jag rubbed it in my face one time too many.
#577 of 1045 pablo
Nov 05, 2002 (4:11 am)
How did they manage to charge a warranty item??
Nov 08, 2002 (1:41 pm)
*All* the tires were munched up on the extreme edge of the inside within 6,000 miles. I always check my tires, but in this case the tires were used up on a strip so narrow that it was impossible to see. I noticed when a tire blew up while driving. And no - I have not once smoked the tires turning off traction control.
It was a blatant case of misalignment of the ssupension setting or something in the chassis. I did get about the first 2001 model year...
But Jaguar service stated it's normal for tires to get misaligned and use unevenly (in the *identical* spot on *all* tires?), and that is not covered my warranty. Tire replacement and alignment: $2,500 or so.
That was Jaguar brand loyalty for me: I have spent well over $120,000 on their cars over the last 7 years, and that's what I got.
I wrote two letters, never received a reply. Since the arrival of S and X types, Jaguar simply is not the same brand, at least not in my opinion. The personalized service is gone.
In the future, I shall follow the path of smaller brands with a reputation for caring.
I still think Jaguars fantastic cars, but cars are not important enough to me to put up with such disappointing buying experiences. If you get me once, shame on you - get me twice, shame on me. Won't come to that...
Nov 11, 2002 (2:31 pm)
Any news on the E55 yet?
Nov 11, 2002 (10:17 pm)
I think the title of this thread should include the S-Type R and RS6, and drop the XJR. The XJR competes with the S8, S55 etc.
Auto, Motor und Sport just did a comparo between the M5 and the RS6. Their conclusion: The M5 still is THE car in this segment.
Automobile Magazine (Dec issue) has a comparo between the S-Type R, RS6, E55 and M5. Their conclusion: The M5 is still king.
Both of these comparos are very telling. The M5 gets it's motor handed to it by the RS6. I mean 0-60 in 4.3secs is true sports car territory. Curiously the E55 in Automobile's comparo didn't perform up to spec. The S-Type R was just too soft to compete in the hardcore realm of the three German sedans. Check the 0-100 times for the S-Type R and the E55. The E55 does the job in less than HALF the time of the Jaguar!!
The M5 wins it for them based in it's body control, steering precision and overall balance. Automobile states that the M5 weighs 250lbs less than the E55, yet on the data page they show the E55 weighing only 26lbs more than the M5?? They also knocked the E55 for fuel economy, but all the other cars got like 1-2 MPG more. Silly to be even talking about such a thing for cars of this caliber. They all drink gas!
Naturally I like all these, but my ranking would have been: E55/RS6 (tied) M5 and then the S-Type R. Love the RS6 and E55, "like" the M5 and S-Type R.
If the M5 is truly this good (waiting to see more comparos) to triumph over brand new competitors, I'm even more impressed with BMW......didn't think that was possible.
I'm awaiting the all mighty Car and Driver to do this comparo. The best one of the U.S. mags will most likely be Road and Track.
Car and Driver says the E55 is due in May.