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#101 of 1038 M5 virginiadon by one2000m5 Jan 23, 2000 (5:26 am)
I realize this is a month old, but definitely can tell you the Colorado post is correct. Right now the brokers who handle all the high demand hard to get autos are selling the M5 for 10K to 14K OVER list. This is common on first year limited production cars like Vipers, NSX's, Porshe Turbos, etc. The first to have must pay the price. I put my name on the list at the local BMW dealer nine months ago...My M5 was built last and is awaiting shipment. Due to arrive in February. I am paying MSRP. I tried to get an E55...same deal. Put your name on the list and wait. Drive it for 5000 miles and you can sell for what you paid. There is a very long waiting list. You might see some M5's in Dupont Registry. Pick up a copy of the Registry and see if you can find an E55 or M5...noone's giving their's up! Better luck buying the 2001 M3. That car will outperform the new M5. The test drivers and engineers say the new M3 is the closest thing to driving a street legal touring car. I bought the midsize BMW because I needed to carry a few passengers once in a while. The smaller M3 with over 300 HP will be the rocket and has the handling too. The car will look (looks)superb. Good luck.
#102 of 1038 M3 outperform M5? by sunshine7 Jan 26, 2000 (2:35 pm)
Do you really know this to be true? I know so little about the new M3, but if that is the case...I don't know what else to say?!?!?
#103 of 1038 Anyone interested in XJR problems? by towert Jan 26, 2000 (4:52 pm)
I have owned a 1999 Jaguar XJR for a year now and am sorry that I leased. I have discovered some issues about it that the biased press don't share. Read about it at my homepage www.MyConsumerExperience.com. I can't wait for my lease to expire so that I can get into the new M5! Actually, I keep running into the Mercedes S500 when I travel (which I think is much better looking than the E55). Haven't seen any in my hometown of Vancouver yet so I'm not sure if they are sold here. I still need to check up on the performance specs.
#104 of 1038 response to sunshine #101 by one2000m5 Jan 30, 2000 (4:44 am)
Words from a BMW engineer. That is where I received the info on the performance of the 2001 M3. The M3 is the "touring car". Smaller, lighter, and better HP-to-weight ratio. Just depends on what gearing the car winds up with. Normally BMW balances the 0 - 60MPH with incredible 50 to 100 MPH acceleration. Also, I do not know if they will actually do it, however it is rumored that BMW is considering putting the 400HP engine in a select few of the M3's. That sounds like a good story I know, however the engineer and European press has verified the possibility. The car will be for Europe only. As you may know, their version of the existing M3 already has 320HP. When the new model arrives, the proposed 320 to 340HP that the US car is supposed to receive will not excite many folks in Europe. Of course the European M3 is more expensive than our current 'sedate' 240HP model, but we always seem to get the crumbs from the European table. By the way, the production European M5 was dyno tested at the North American test facility at approximately 440HP. Sadly I am told that the US version is not the same.
#105 of 1038 XJR Problems?? by im_brentwood Jan 31, 2000 (9:43 am)
Wow.. I just ended a 2-year lease on a Titanium/Nimbus XJR (Special order color combo) And had 39,000 PERFECT Miles out of it. If it hadnt been in a bad accident and repaired I would have bought it. Absolutely amazing vehicle.. amazing power.. Smooth.. Quiet.. comfortable.. wow. I have a 2000 on order and this time Im buying it and keeping it, besides.. by the time it comes in my divorce will be finalized! =D If i have gotten 102K almost perfect miles out of a 95 Vanden Plas.. and 39K perfect ones out of the XJR.. tells ya something. Yeah the R did have Axle tramp, but only under full-throttle acceleration in the rain. And you had to TRY to get it to do it. You might as well complain that the car skids in the snow when you take corners at above the posted speed. Bill
#106 of 1038 CLK55 by bziegler Jan 31, 2000 (7:43 pm)
Have you ever thought of waiting for the CLK 55. It's not a 4 door sedan but it looks better. I have a CLK 430 and it has been a great car. The E55 just looks like a regular sedan. The CLK series definitley has a more unique look to them and you still get all the horsepower, handling and luxury. The back seat has a reasonable amount of room and if your not planning carrying alot of people all the time you might look into it.
#107 of 1038 CLK55 by bziegler Jan 31, 2000 (7:49 pm)
Have you ever thought of waiting for the CLK 55. It's not a 4 door sedan but it looks better. I have a CLK 430 and it has been a great car. The E55 just looks like a regular sedan. The CLK series definitley has a more unique look to them and you still get all the horsepower, handling and luxury. The back seat has a reasonable amount of room and if your not planning carrying alot of people all the time you might look into it.
#108 of 1038 Response to 104 by towert Feb 02, 2000 (1:15 am)
Bill, my R exbited axle tramp under moderate acceleration. The only time I have to "try" is when I have a full load. When I'm by myself, especially with traction control off, it constantly produces vicious axle tramp (unless you nail it off the line in which case one wheel spins free and you go nowhere). I reproduced it with the dealer's mechanics in another customers car to find out if it was just mine, and they were amazed at how violent and easily reproducable it was. Perhaps yours was the 6? If so, yes, the axle tramp wouldn't have been an issue.
#109 of 1038 CLK55 by towert Feb 02, 2000 (1:17 am)
Thanks for the tip, bziegler, but I need a four door otherwise my wife won't go for it
#110 of 1038 . by merc1 Feb 03, 2000 (8:47 am)
Well C&D just did a comparo, M5, E55, and XJR. Naturally the M5 won, with the Benz being called the best "automatic transmissioned" high performance sedan you can buy. M

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