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Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Volkswagen Passat, Sedan
#296 of 1844 Toyota V Honda
Apr 22, 2000 (2:21 am)
I own both cars. I have a 1990 Accord and a 1994 Camry. The Camry rides very smooth and is quieter than the Honda. But I have had more serious engine problems with the Camry than the Honda. The Honda has 158,000 miles on it and the Camry has 67,000 miles. In my experience the Honda is the better car for longevity and the Camry is better for the ride and size. Also the G-20 was not rated better than either of these in Consumer Reports.
Apr 22, 2000 (11:32 pm)
CR is a great source for rating cars, but it is dangerous to base your opinions on somebody else's reviews. I find the stats for CR very useful, however, the most important thing is to rate the cars yourself. I tested out just about every single sedan on the market (import) and I found the G20 to be lacking room, however, its handling was much sharper than most other cars...the dealer who accompanies me on the tests usually holds on to the handles while I test the cars.
Sbaker: Autos do sap performance out of every single engine. Auto for G20 made it feel torqueless, the Accord had quite a bit of punch with auto.
#298 of 1844 test drive it...
Apr 24, 2000 (3:33 pm)
Of course, CR is just one source that should be used to evaluate a vehicle. IMHO it can be counted on to be more objective then most. But, it certainly has it's own subjective biases. For instance, I frequently find myself disagreeing with it's assessment of what constitutes inspired handling.
Nothing can substitute for a good test drive. Being a car nut, I constantly drive all manner of vehicles, even when I'm not actually in the market for a new one. It's a hobby of mine that I can indulge due to my proximity to an abundance of overlapping dealers. So, I have first hand experience with most of the import sedans and coupes, as well as many domestic types.
titopuente: I agree, the G20 w/auto, performance wise, is not a great match. I did find the Accord 2.3L w/auto somewhat better, but "punch"... no way. I guess we just define "punch" differently. I found the G20 interior comfortable both front and back and I'm 6'0". It was also one of the few that could accommodate my wife (5'0") in the driver position with a manual. The Accord coupe was another that fit her, but not the Passat, A4, or Solara to name a few. BTW, like you, I'm also fond of white knuckle test drives.
aquatic: CR not only rated the predicted reliability of the '00 G20 significantly higher than the Accord and Camry, but the highest new car... period! All this really says is that when people discuss the advantage of the legendary (and well deserved) quality mystique of the Honda/Toyota cars... they got nothin' on the G20.
Apr 25, 2000 (10:19 pm)
I would put G20 against Integra LS/GS/GS-R. That's the market G20 is targeted at. G20 is based off Sentra platform, and Integra shares that with Civic. So there is a similarity, then comes pricing. Ofcourse, Integra with 7-8 year old design needs lot of freshening up, but that's the actual competition.
Now, for someone looking at a sport sedan in $20-22K range, Integra GS-R and G20t make sense.
#300 of 1844 Categories
Apr 26, 2000 (1:00 pm)
I could be wrong but... I believe the G20 is based on the European Primara which is a different platform then the Sentra. However, it does share it's drivetrain with the new SE and previous SE-R Sentras. Regardless, IMHO, the Integra is more likely to be on the shopping list with cars like the Prelude, Civic SI, Celica, Eclipse, and others that are viewed as being more perfomance oriented and less practical as a daily driver. The "t" in G20t stands for touring and if you drive one, I think you'll find it much more akin to cars like the Audi A4 1.8T and Volvo S40. But, I also think, mainly due to price, that it's a viable alternative to an Integra. It also competes very farvoribly with a Passat, Accord coupe, or Solara in their dressed up 4-cyl versions. They, generally, offer more room but don't have the ride/handling of the G20t which feels much more like the A4. And finally there's the Infiniti name, an intangible quality that again puts it more in the company of an Audi or Volvo.
Categorizing cars is imprecise to say the least. Much of it is perception (a,k,a, marketing hype). More important, is the order of priority an individual assigns to various car attributes. And since every car is a compromise of some sort, things like price, power, size, ride, or prestige can blur the lines quickly.
#301 of 1844 Compare Galant to Accord and Passat
May 03, 2000 (6:53 am)
I see comparison between Accord and Passat, but no one comparing Gallant with those two. Looking for a good comparison between the three. We will test drive this weekend. We are finishing lease in a few months on a Galant, and enjoy the car -- has been very worry-free during its 40000 miles on a three-year lease. I like a car that rides sporty but I need excellent visibility from back sides, and can fit 5 nicely (two growing kids, etc.).
From everything I am reading, I may have a difficult decision between the three. What do you all think?
May 03, 2000 (1:31 pm)
Before you go test drive, read the Edmunds Family
Car Comparison Test at the Edmunds homepage. The Accord and Passat were the top two cars in the test. As for the Galant, they rated the backseat as abysmal and with two growing kids you will never get five people in this car. I owned a 94 Galant LS fully loaded and had awful luck with the transmission (replaced), electrical system (gremlins everywhere), and bad squeaks and rattles etc. I bought a 00 Accord EXLV6 for the wife and a 00 Passat GLX for myself. While I like the Accord, wife loves it, I love my Passat, best car I've ever owned. While the Accord is a great transportation car, the Passat is truly a "drivers" car. Both have excellent visability and the best backseat room of any cars in this class. Good luck with your search, but I wouldn't even bother with the Galant. Yes, I know it's cheaper and gives you a lot of features, but you get what you pay for.
May 18, 2000 (5:06 am)
Haven't been around for a while and this forum is sooo slow!!!
DAmnit let me jump start it....
Accord felt more sporty than the Passat...the Passat leans more, and the Accord felt like it had more power even though they have the same power....probably its the Accord's 150 lb/ft torque peak 2750 rpm (as stated in another forum) and another VTEC peak 152 lb/ft 4500 rpm...nice!
Passat has nicer interior look, but not ergonomics.
ACCORD is the best of the 3 IMO....actually it is the best of the 3.
#304 of 1844 HONDA ACCORD TRANSMISSION WOES...
May 18, 2000 (8:13 am)
seems as though the transmission problems with the accord are more serious than we thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!
there was someone reporting transmission failure with an accord ex v6 with production date 04/2000 and the car only had 30 miles on it!!! and sure enough the owner noticed a clunk after she bought her car!!!!!!!!
numerous owners have been reporting oil leaks, transmission leaks, misfires, speedometers being off, harsh shifting, transmission whine, various rattles and squeaks, engines conking out at 70 mph, fuel boilover problem, high road and wind noise and the list goes on and on with new cars that cost $25,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and numerous owners have reported failure with their older model(94-97) accord that are failing due to various causes including rocker arm failure.... i guess the high revving nature of honda engines does take its toll on metal......
after all the indy(champ) cars do go fast but the engines barely last 500 miles and often times not even that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and they get rebuilt after almost every race!!!
here's the link... that shows the owner of the accord( production date 04/2000) whose transmission failed at 30 miles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think it was post #470. also #482 is related to it.
the following is topic #1886 in the Smart Shopper forum called
'honda accord issues'
then there are the forums in the Maintenance forum #720 that has owners talk about quality problems with the honda accord called
'does honda really live up to its name'
in the first post #0 you will find an owner of a 1998 honda accord ex v6 whose transmissions failed at 30,000 miles along with a plethora of other problems....
then 3 posts later in post #3 you will find a 4 cylinder accord owner whose car failed at 5500 miles and the car was only 3 months old!!!!!!!!!!
(note: the oracle setup at edmunds will only let you go foward to the end of a certain topic so you may have to go forward 40 topic then back, to see post #3, or you can just put in #3 in the goto box)
here it is...
but the thing that blows me away is the fact that the regional office and american honda assured him that a new transmission would be put in when indeed a remanufactured( read: some else's broken tranny: used) tranny was put in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i mean the sounds like he is beside himself with rage that
honda lied to him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
there was another owner whose tranny was replaced that was told by the service manager of the dealership that 28 remanufactured tranny's were on back order!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i wonder how many other customers were lied to or not told the truth..........
so the honda accord transmission problems do go back to 1998 and does affect 4 cylinder models!!!!!! and recent (04/2000 production) accords as well.
yeah isellhondas has been telling you otherwise but that not what the actual owners are saying. and besides he is a honda salesman so what is he gonna tell you???
then there's another topic pertaining to the reliability or lack of it in the maintenance forum #903 called
'HONDA ACCORD PROBLEMS'
and the clunk that so many people are complaining about is not even clunk or jerk that one hears or feels when the gear is moved from P to R or D to R but rather an audible clunk that is heard and sometimes felt after the car has been moving 5 to 10 feet like one owner with a replaced tranny pointed out!!!!!!
and this noise is known to happen when in drive as well!!!!!!!! then there's the issue of tranny whine and the shudder that won't go away!!!!!!!!
along with numerous other problems!!!!!!!!!!
check 'em out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i was flabbergasted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!