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#101 of 519 200 park avenue
May 26, 2001 (8:38 am)
my boss bought one - had to have it - no one has been able to stop the vibration - it'll shake the wheel out of your hand 55-70mph - multiple balances - rotors, all brake hardware has been replaced twice, he also has ac and tranny problems - not much help from buick - they don't think the vibration is too bad - and now he has an overheating problem. this thing is a wahle, looks like a whale, handles like a boat - soft ride, though - like a 70 buick in 2000 !!!
#102 of 519 99 Ultra v. 98 PA
May 28, 2001 (9:03 pm)
I'm considering a 99 Ultra with buckets/center console with approx 20,000 miles and FACTORY moonroof v. a 98 PA with CLOTH interior/bench with 28,500 miles and what doesn't appear to be the Concert II speaker system (I can see only one set of speakers in the upper fore part of the door, not the lower part - are they in there but just hiding behind the carpet?) although each does have the am/fm/cass/cd stack and the steering wheel radio/temp controls.
I have a some questions and I hope someone might be willing to take the time to address one or all:
1) I've read with interest about the vibration issue. I'm going to test drive both vehicles tomorrow and am grateful for the heads-up from this board on that issue. I will be very sensitive to it, I'm sure. The Ultra has the G'year LS tires and the PA the Conquests. The PA's tires look like they need to be replaced soon but I don't know what the "wear mileage" on the LSs and Conquests are - any ideas? Also, I like to run winter tires up here (Wisconsin) and I'm wondering whether anyone out there has run Michelin Artic Alpins (or a similar tires like Blizzaks or Hakapalitas) on a PA or Ultra? If so, what were your impressions, especially with respect to the vibration issues? Finally, are the Michelin Symetries a particularly quiet tire? Why might they be recommended over MX4Vs, for example?
2) I currently own a 97 Tahoe LT, which I do love in snow, especially with its Goodyear Wrangler AT/S tires (at a cost, though - four for 750 bucks - and that was a steal because I knew the guy at the Goodyear store - amazing tires in heavy rain, too). There also another one key difference b/w the Ultra and the PA I'm considering - traction control. I've also owned a 1992 Pontiac Bonneville SE since 1996 and haven't sensed the need for TC on that car (but maybe I just drive sensibly in the snow/ice/slush/rain). Any impressions, positive or negative about the TC on the Ultra/PA?
3) Does the Ultra run about as well using regular unleaded rather than premium? Part of the reason I want to dump the Tahoe is that I travel about 3k/month (2.5k highway miles) and 32 mpg/hwy sounds a lot better than the 15-17 I get now, but if want the Ultra, ultimately, I think the trade-off in reg v. premium costs will wipe out much of the difference in mpg. I have read that the Ultra will knock some if using regular. Any other issues?
4) Anyone ever have water leakage problems with a factory install Buick moonroof? I talked with the prior owner of the PA and he said the moonroof was installed at a local very reputable place. However, you can discern a difference between the factory and after market moonroofs because the factory one is absolutely flush with the roofline and the after market is not (I imagine that since the after-market roof is not flush it probably creates some more wind noise, too). I'm checking to see whether the after market moonroof comes with a lifetime no-leak warranty.
5) What's the reliability reputation for the auto climate control system? If any issues, do they tend to be inherently expensive to resolve?
6) Has anyone tried to obtain a sheepskin other kind of cloth-like seat cover for the leather BUCKET seats in an Ultra? If so, where did you find them and what kind of cost am I looking at? I don't particularly like leather seats because I tend to stick to them in the summer months, but I think I can deal with it if I have something to cover at least the driver's seat. My impression is that Buick leather is not very breathable.
7) What would be a fair price for the Ultra and/or the PA?
If you're kind enough to respond, thanks very much in advance for taking the time to do so. I've learned a great deal about the LeSabre/Ultra/PA models on this board and I sincerely appreciate people taking the time to contribute. I hope to do so in the future, too. FYI, I had been considering an Avalon but I'm just not willing to pay a premium price for a smaller car that's "up-spec'd" off the Camry chassis.
And, I agree with those who have posted on here saying that perhaps Japanese cars are not quite what CU and others want us to believe. Although I had to replace the tranny and brain box on the 1992 Bonne at about 145k, the per mile maintenance costs over the course of the 130k I've owned it so far are probably half that of the 1987 Mazda 626LX's comparable mileage which I eventually rode to 233k before I traded for the Bonne. The 3.8 V6 is just about bulletproof and you cannot argue with 32 mpg highway for such a roomy and comfortable vehicle. Compare that to the 31/hwy the Ford Focus is rated for and tell me which vehicle appeals to you more if you have to drive 25k highway miles per year?
Jun 12, 2001 (7:15 pm)
My parents have an 89 Park Avenue which they purchased brand new this month 12 years ago and now at 140K, it still runs and looks great. I learned to drive on that car back in 91 when it was pretty new. I like the newer Park Avenues pretty well, but one problem is they have become quite expensive. A loaded Ultra will list for almost $40,000 and a base model will be in the mid 30s. For that kind of money, I would prefer a Cadillac or a luxury marque and I think that declining sales of the PA are showing that. For years, the Park was the best selling "near luxury" car, now the Acura 3.2 TL and Chrylser 300M are the best sellers in this class. I remember back in 89 my parent's Park Avenue listed for about $24,900 and it was pretty much loaded. But a Cadillac would cost nearly 30 then and didn't have much that the Buick didn't have. Today, a Deville isn't much more than a loaded Ultra and the Caddy has a modern DOHC V8, better appointed interior, and better warranty. Maybe with Oldsmobile being phased out, Buick will get to use their version of the Northstar V8 in the Park Avenue. As for quality, the 89 has been nearly flawless. Somethings like the water pump, serpantine belt, alternator, brakes, tires, plug wires etc have been replaced, but nothing major and the A/C is still ice cold on it's original compressor and has never had to have any freon added. Also, theirs has the digital instruments, climate control, concert sound stereo, trunk pull down, etc. and all these little extras still work fine. My dad has basically resigned himself to driving it until the wheels literally fall off.
#104 of 519 eeel
Jun 13, 2001 (1:30 pm)
Tell your boss to have Buick replace under warranty the wheel rims...I bet you these are bent and are the culprit behind the vibration.
Jun 20, 2001 (8:50 am)
Tell me what you think of these pictures of what GM thinks the Next Park Avenue should look like. It is being developped with Fiat. But the design is all Buick.
It's also RWD.
#106 of 519 Supercharger
Oct 25, 2001 (6:36 pm)
I have a 92 Ultra with close to 100k. The supercharger is going to need replacing. I went to magnusonproducts.com but it looks like they don't sell except to custom manufacturers. Also, what model does the car take. Up to now, I've only had to replace alternators and water pumps at mileages that seem premature. Can't GM get the
quality up on these two parts?
#107 of 519 Age of PA owners
Oct 29, 2001 (5:26 pm)
I love my 2000 PA ultra, but mainly I bought it over a LeSabre because at 6'7" I couldn't fit in the smaller vehicle. However, at age 36 I seem to be the youngest PA owner in America (or at least Massachusetts), judging by drivers of others I see on the road. Any other youngish PA owners out there?
#108 of 519 In response to Stanny1 and Supercharger replacement.
Oct 30, 2001 (9:35 pm)
Magnuson will sell to anybody as far as I know. I had to replace the supercharger on my 92 Pontiac Bonneville a couple of years ago. I purchased a rebuild supercharger from Magnuson. It was around $1100.00 if I remember. The Pontiac and the Buick use the same supercharger. The Eaton M62. By the way, Eaton manufactured the supercharger for GM and according to Eaton, it was designed to run for about 100,000 miles. So yours is in the right ballpark. Hope this helps.
#109 of 519 Response to #106
Nov 20, 2001 (9:07 am)
Hi there. I'm just 31 years old and my 92 PA ist the best car i've ever had. Additionally, the PA was only saled in Germany between 1990 and 1996 and it's a very rare car here.
Greetings from Germany.
#110 of 519 Hood ornaments:
Dec 18, 2001 (6:35 am)
Can you still buy a 2002 Park Avenue with a hood ornament? I have noticed that the PA and the Cadillac DeVille are the only American vehicles to offer a stand-up ornament these days, Lincoln and Olds having given them up years back.