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#170 of 1483 A8L Availability
Jul 11, 2000 (12:39 am)
Sorry this is late jwilkerson. Availability for 2001 A8L is upon us. Mine arrived at dock over weekend, delivery next week.
On resale. Like most high end luxuries (w/possible exclusion of MBs other than S500), value drops off pretty quick. I am leasing (Company car...) to combat the gamble. Audi seems to be subsidizing the lease numbers, although they are up a bit on the 2001 (interest rate bump...). The A8L is pretty hot (if you can call expected sales of just north of 2,000 for all A8's "hot") right now. I was only able to split the difference with the dealer in Atlanta.
Good luck in your search. By the way, the S8 someone referred to only comes in the shorter wheelbase, I understand. That's why I didn't hold out for it...
Jul 11, 2000 (5:16 pm)
I just received a manufacturers test car to drive for three days (A8L) It has the high end 18 inch wheels and tires. Gives it a hard ride. The acceleration is better than my S500/96. The car is about 1000 pounds lighter. The drive is comfortable and everything seems to work correctly. The interior has much more workmanship in it than the current MB S500. No sharp plastic. Higher quality leather than the Benz too. I will drive it for a couple of days and post results. Off the bat, I'd say this is heads above an S430 in quality and could very well be more car for the money (2001) than the S500. List for the car is about $72K. Dealer has about $63K in it. I think $2K profit is sufficient. So, lots of car for about $65K. The service problems are a concern.Thanks for your opinions.
#172 of 1483 Just Drove the A8L 4 Days
Jul 14, 2000 (3:11 pm)
The manufacture provided me with the A8L to test drive over four days. This is an elegant vehicle. Audi has come a long way. The interior is much more refined than the S500. No cheap plastic, sharp edges, thin cushioned seats, a finer grade of leather too. It is very quick off the line and would out run an S500 easily. I know, I own one. My vehicle had the option 18 inch wheel and high performance tire. This gives a very hard ride, unless you want a very sports car feel in a luxury sedan, go with the 17 inch wheel and year round tire, an inexpensive option. Audi needs to expand the warranty to four years and 50K miles. They have done this for the 2001 model. Next, they need to make the 800 service call for life. MB has it for the life of the car. Everything functioned well. Stereo was similar to the Benz in sound quality. GPS, very difficult to manage, as with the MB. The windows creaked, not squeaked, but just a constant very faint creak to them. Plenty of room in the back seat and trunk. High quality interior detail is much more refined than the new S500. No sharp plastic, no thin seats, and the leather quality is better than MB. The swede on doors and leather arm rests were excellent It is a lot of car for $72K list set up the way I would like it, options,xeon lights, phone and 17 inch wheels. Dealer has about $63K in it. I think if you can get it for $65K you are buying an lot of car and technology. However, body shops consider the car almost unfixable. Insurance is very high with the all aluminum and many shops will not even tackle a fix up job. My suggestion, wait for the 2001 to arrive at your local dealer, try one out in a week or so. If I were going to buy another S500 today, I think I would purchase the Audi instead. You might want to check on service in your area. Lots of complaints with schedules and parts availability. I have been a Benz owner for 23 years. Have two now, 45SL and 96/S500. Maybe I can find a good used 1999 S500, the last of the grand tank cars, I should snatch it up. Mercedes knows they have a problem with the new S cars. But they are selling well to people that do not know the difference. Perhaps MB will work on the interior, it needs help, especially to previous S car owners. I would be glad to answer questions on the Audi test, should you have some. Kindest regards...
#173 of 1483 special body shops
Jul 15, 2000 (5:30 pm)
There was just an article on Car & Driver on how Audi worked with insurance companies on the A8 to ensure it was highly fixable, in order to keep insurance rates down.
Most shops just don't have the tools, it is fixable if you go to the right one.
The rates aren't very low anyway, because the A8 apparently has 3 times the accident rate of other cars in its class.
#174 of 1483 'creak' in A8L windows
Jul 15, 2000 (7:31 pm)
jwilkerson is right; these windows creak, not squeak. such an annoyance. like to drive this car and enjoy the quiet; but the slight creak blows me away. does anyone have an idea on how to fix this? everything on this car is as tight as it comes, but this is puzzling. love to hear about any fixes/ suggestions/ solutions....pls advise.
#175 of 1483 Windows & insurance
Jul 22, 2000 (4:52 pm)
If your windows creak take it to the dealer and have them fix the problem. It is usually due to misalignment and can usually be fixed permanently although it may take a couple of tries.
As far as insurance goes, I doubt the A8 is in 3 times more accidents than other cars in it's class based on demographics alone. The A8s' insurance rate is so high because IF it does get in an accident it is incredibly costly to fix. Much more so than other cars in its class. Considering the high price point of the vehicle the insurance companies are very unlikely to total it for anything but the most severe damage. There are only 4 or 5 places in the US that can work on the Audi Space Frame and something on the order of 27 that can deal with painting aluminum properly. If the car gets in a wreck, it must be shipped to one of these places for repair ($$$). Consequently if you get in a wreck you will be without your car for a long time so you need to have a rental for a long time.($$$) The insurance pays for all of this. That is why the premium is so high.
#176 of 1483 Audi will supply you w/another A8
Jul 22, 2000 (6:25 pm)
There is a discussion on the insurance on A8's on the www.audiworld.com site. Most ppl just figure it's going to cost more because it's aluminum. It's actaully in the same range as the 7series and S clases. Why don't you call your insurance agent? Or get quotes?
#177 of 1483 A8 Vs A8 Insurance
Jul 22, 2000 (9:20 pm)
With used A8 prices dropping I inquired as to the cost of insuring it versus my A4 1.8T. A 97 A8 was only $150 more per year ($700 vs $550). I consider a minimal increase for all the additional car you are getting.
#178 of 1483 A8 vs A4 insurance
Jul 24, 2000 (7:04 pm)
I'd double check on that figure. That's what my agent told me at first then the bill came and it ended up being almost $1,100 a year. The agent didn't realize the car has a "T" (high performance) rating. I checked with other carriers in the area and this was still the lowest price. I asked my agent what the rates were on a 740 and the price was about $150 less a year. Not much when you are talking about these cars but it's about a 15% decrease for a car with the same price point. PS these figures are from a '97 A8
#179 of 1483 A8 Insurance
Jul 24, 2000 (11:25 pm)
I'll do that. I did challenge him when he quoted the figure. I told that I expected it to be higher due to the aluminum body and repair procedures and he stood by his quote, but he did try to steer me in the direction of a Mercedes. But I agree I still don't trust the quote and will double check with another agent.
By the way I drove one yesterday. It came pretty close to automotive perfection. It was only marred by the fact that it had been sitting on the lot for a while and the tires felt flat spotted. Tremendous acceleration on the highway. Very tossable for such a big car. Other than the tire noise super quiet on the highway.
How is the upkeep? This one had 50K on it and had the 5 yr 75k warranty.