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#15 of 1483 Too quiet
Sep 16, 1999 (1:19 pm)
Yes, Merc1, I am looking forward to the 2000 A8 and wish there was more info about it out there. I am told Audi intends to increase the horse power from 300 to about 365, in order to keep the A8 ahead of the new A6, which gets the 4.2 300 hp engine from A8 this year. I wish Audi would release some info on the 2000 models; maybe Audi is not Y2K Compliant yet.
Sep 17, 1999 (1:40 am)
I am considering the purchase of a either an A8 or a 540 (most likely used). I'm looking for feedback from folks who have driven both. Any comments/experience to share?
#17 of 1483 540 or A8? A8
Sep 17, 1999 (2:02 am)
An interesting choice, especially because the (used) 540 will be considerably less expensive than the A8. I had a 540 before the recent body style change, and thought it was the best car I had ever driven. The new 540 is also a BLAST to drive, but I can't get past the fact that BMW has opted for a body designed by wind-tunnel engineers. The new 540 now looks like every thing else on the road, especially like a Honda from behind (though the front is still pretty striking).
I'd like a 540, if they hadn't ruined its design. Also, if winter driving is a concern, then there is no comparing the A8 Quattro to a 540 rear wheel drive (BMW can keep the "traction control").
For me, the A8 still has some character in body style (though it is, admittedly, no 740/750). And the attention to detail in the passenger cabin is absolutely to my liking.
As a pure matter of road manners (cornering, handling, ride, etc.) I think it is a coin flip between these two choices. Will either be a dream? Yup. But the A8 will set you back a number of $$ more.
Good choices and good luck.
#18 of 1483 2000 A8 info
Sep 17, 1999 (6:26 pm)
1) The engine is getting a 5-valve per cylinder head (40 valves total) with a modest 10 hp and 7 lb-ft torque gain. Therefore, the horesepower is (only) 310. Throttle response is supposedly improved for better low end power. Additional aluminum suspension components have dropped the weight by about 100 lbs.
2) The A8 3.7 model has been discontinued.
3) The base MSRP has been reduced to $62,000.
4) A new front grille, revised door handles, and revised front apron change with foglights are the main exterior changes.
5) Interior upgrades include a revised center console with Symphony stereo (in-dash CD/cassette).
6) New options include park distance control, and navigation system.
For exact invoice and MSRP, you can visit the www.a4.org A8/S8 forum.
#19 of 1483 '00 A8 MSRP/Invoice prices
Sep 17, 1999 (6:41 pm)
These prices were posted by an Audi dealer on A4.org forums. Kelly Blue Book web site might have these prices up by now. As you can see, there is still a sizeable difference between base invoice and MSRP prices. Considering that this wonderful sedan doesn't sell all that well, it should be possible to buy one close to invoice prices. I imagine that the massive dealer incentives won't be available for the '00 A8 right away. Perhaps later in the model year, Audi will bring back similar incentives (up to $7,500 now!) to move the A8's.
Note that the navigation system is not the full- screen type with maps. It's a simple design with simple directions and voice (same as A4 and A6).
MSRP for '00 A8 4.2 quattro:
base - $62000
warm weather pkg - $1200
premium comfort pkg - $1500
xenon - $500
17" wheels - $1000
navigation - $1100
acoustic parking - $700
ESP - $550 (electronic stability program)
premium alcantara - $3500
phone - $495
destination - $525
Invoice prices for '00 A8 4.2 quattro
base - $54805
warm weather pkg - $1056
premium comfort pkg - $1320
xenon - $440
17" wheels - $880
navigation - $968
acoustic parking - $616
ESP - $484
premium alcantara - $3080
phone - $431
Sep 22, 1999 (8:53 pm)
Has anyone been able to take advantage of the $7500 dealer incentive on a '99? If my math is right, a 4.2 Quattro with Warm and Electronics packages can be had for around 53.5K and that would still give the dealer a $1000 profit. Given this current incentives, are these '99s hard to find. I'm in CT.
#21 of 1483 To syketa R.E. 540 vs A8
Oct 01, 1999 (9:30 pm)
Thanks for the input. Sorry, I understand the confusion based on my wording. I meant I was considering both used A8's as well as used 540's. I bought a '97 A8 yesterday with 9K miles on it (yes 9,000) for about $6K more that I could find a minimally equipped 540 of the same vintage with much higher mileage. I had an '87 BMW L-7 with a limited slip diff. so I have some idea what BMW's are like in winter driving conditions. I know I did the right thing for my driving needs.
#22 of 1483 Car & Driver comparison test
Oct 02, 1999 (1:09 am)
The November issue of Car & Driver has a 5-way comparison test of luxury sedans. Here is the order of finish:
1) BMW 740iL
2) Lexus LS400
3) Audi A8 4.2 quattro
4) Mercedes Benz S430
5) Jaguar XJ8
The A8 finished with 90 points, 3 points behind the winner and 1 point behind the LS400. The A8 had the strongest acceleration among the group, although all the numbers seem on the high side (A8 was fastest in 0-60 at 7.0 seconds). Lexus claimes that the LS400 accelerates to 60 mph in 6.3 seconds. Well in this test, the LS400 was about a full second slower.
The A8 lost points for relatively harsh ride, weak brakes, excessive tire noise and lack of adequate room in the back for three passengers. The base and as-tested prices listed for the A8 seem to be about 5 grand too high ($67,500 base vs actual $62,000). Also, the vehicle weight is listed at over 4000 lbs. It was my impression that the '00 model weighs close to 3850 lbs with the additional use of aluminum suspension components.
By the way, the revised interior of the A8 (as shown in one of the pictures) is simply gorgeous.
#23 of 1483 C & D comparison in the real world
Oct 02, 1999 (5:56 am)
Well I can atest to the acceleration specs of the the A8. As I was driving home from work today, I happened to get on a two lane on ramp with a 740 right next to me. On the ramp there was a two lane toll plaza which we both passed through at the same time. Shortly after the plaza, the lanes merged down to one. The guy in the 740 went for it .... and so did I. He came in second, by about two and a half car lengths.
#24 of 1483 November - Car & Driver
Oct 05, 1999 (10:07 pm)
It's always good to see our A8's stack up against the "chosen" big sedans. It seems that C&D and Motor Trend ( both owned by the same publisher ) never quite give the A8 that one final vote or votes to beat out the BMW or Lexus. I guess it just will never change. Even read the glorious words that Edmunds bestoes on the '00 740's then read the mundane ( but not critical ) words about the A8.
I am surprised the '00 A8's MSRP is down about 10%, I guess the exchange rate is helping. Not a day goes by when at heads are turned to take a lookat my black beauty.
There's always an idiot in the crowd though. I had this 20 something guy come to me a 40 something guy and asked me how I liked my Audi and inquired if it was as A4. I corrected him cordially and advised him it was an A8 & was all aluminium, he was still clueless. He then proceeded to relay a story of his older brother 1980 something Audi and all the problems he encountered. I asked him if he ever heard of any old german car of the early '80's vintage that didn't have problems with lots of maintenance costs. He just went da ! I further commented that my Audi has 3 years of free maintenance, he was surprised again.
His last comment..as he walked away.." I would rather own a BMW ".....I said nothing but thought to myself, " people, really are narrow minded" but I must admit we are seeing more and more of the A4's & 6's on the roads these days.
I can't wait to see that bad A6 with a V8 dropped under the hood. It surely will give the 5 Series a run for the money. I would then expect the horsepower to increase from the 310 to the higher 300's in the next couple of years for the A8, even though I've outrun a 740iL on the Interstate.
I've read that the S8 won't meet EPA emission standards for the US.