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Volvo S40, Sedan
#954 of 1807 Re: kia vs ferrari [harlequin1971]
Nov 03, 2004 (1:13 am)
"Thinking that the S40 is just a fancy 3 or Focus is definately a far cry from reality.
Sharing platforms doesn't equal same car."
Then what does? The engine? The S40/V50 1.8 should be a Mazda developed Duratec 4-cyl, while the Volvo’s 2.5 5-cyl turbo…
creakid1 "Ford Focus 2005 release date" Nov 1, 2004 3:08am
Now, it's way more than 62% of parts sharing.
If you compare a loaded Mazda 3S 2.3 w/ a stripped S40 2.4I w/ sport suspension, then you might wonder what’s the big difference b/t them. In fact, you might find the Mazda version more refined due to the way the engine revs.
Some people believe that the Volvo 740 & 940 are not the same car. & they believe the 850 may be superior to the 740, but still inferior to the 940. LOL! If you check out the wagon versions of the 740 & 940, then you will believe they're as close as b/t the Bora(Jetta) wagon & the Golf wagon in Europe -- which is no difference!
See any resemblence from this silouette?
http://www.cars.com/go/features/autoshows/imageDetailPopUp.jsp?im- - - - - - - - - g=ford_focus_wagon_side_mfr_430.jpg&autoshow=Paris&autosh- - - - - - owyear=2004&title=Ford%20of%20Europe%20Focus%20Wagon&sour- - - - - - ce=manufacturer%20photo&captionfile=ford_focus_wagon_side_mfr- - - - - - _430-caption.jsp
http://www.cars.com/go/features/autoshows/imageDetailPopUp.jsp?im- g=ford_focus_wagon_rearangle_mfr_430.jpg&autoshow=Paris&a- utoshowyear=2004&title=Ford of Europe Focus Wagon&source=manufacturer photo&captionfile=ford_focus_wagon_rearangle_mfr_430-caption.- jsp
When the suspension & steering are from the Focus II, these C-1 cars are pretty similar dynamically, despite slightly different tuning variation. Just choose b/t the std model or the sport model.
Once again, unless you crash the car real hard, the Volvo version’s unique 4-stage steel firmness won’t show. & w/ the sophisticated Focus-tuned un-intrusive ESP/DSTC stability control, drivers are not likely to turn it off. So you are 7 to 8 times to less likely to crash than cars w/o the stability control anyway:
creakid1 "Mazda3 Sedan" Oct 12, 2003 5:05pm
& w/ the N.A-market S40/V50 lacks the charcoal filter, this Volvo is only about as luxurious as the Focus II, which has Blue Tooth, swivel headlights…
I got to tell ya, after the FWD S40 T-5 w/ std suspension “failed” my speed-bump test recently, I know it’s not up there w/ the premium Germans like the std 325i & C-class, both of which got a less-than-$30k starting price.
#956 of 1807 Re: kia vs ferrari [creakid1]
Nov 03, 2004 (9:42 am)
Just a couple of corrections,
The 740 and 940 are essentially the same car, the 940 was just a bit bigger.
The new S40 DOES have the charcoal filter.
The Mazda lacks the Volvo's stronger chassis.
There are also warranty differences, free maintenance, free loaners, a better dealer body etc w/ Volvo
#957 of 1807 "The new S40 DOES have the charcoal filter."
Nov 03, 2004 (12:05 pm)
All right! What a relieve! I can't stand a car w/o charcoal filter or DSTC/ESP stability control. I don't want leather, & even willing to sacrifice the moonroof in order to sit high. & that alone should save me more than enough $ for these 2 "little things" I've been asking for.
You sure the filter is not just the electrostatic ionizer pollen filter, right?
The scary thing is that, eventhough the A4 & Passat are basically the same car w/ different wheelbase, the A4 got charcoal filter while the Passat doesn't!
#958 of 1807 Re: direct competition [creakid1]
Nov 03, 2004 (4:57 pm)
"Even the std S40 T-5 got a relatively softly-tuned suspension. Have you driven an S40 w/ std suspension?"
Yes. In fact, I drive one almost every day now. I've owned a variety of upscale German sport sedans, including the E46 3-series with sport suspension. This standard S40's cornering, handling, and steering do not disappoint.
If the Passat 2.8 had been readily available in the US with a sport suspension, I would have given it more consideration. I haven't driven one in a few years, but I seem to remember its suspension being softer than, say, a Mazda 6, but firmer than a Camry LE.
"The S40 & the Mondeo-based Jaguar X-type's lack of rear seat room is a waste design done intentionally to protect the more expensive S60 & S-Type, respectively."
Not true for Volvo. I had sales brochures for both the S40 and S60. I closely compared their interior dimensions. The S40's rear seat was listed as having more leg room and more head room than the S60's rear seat. Have you ever tried to sit in the back seat of an S60?
"The TSX's lack of AWD option & the Audi's very different design make them not similar to the S40."
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't think most potential customers will see enough of a design differential to preclude cross-shopping the S40 with the A4 1.8T. If I hadn't recently owned an A4, I definitely would have cross-shopped it. As for the TSX, I think it will be a strong competitor here in the south, where most S40's sold will be FWD models.
#959 of 1807 Re: direct competition [cotmc]
Nov 03, 2004 (8:26 pm)
“"The S40 & the Mondeo-based Jaguar X-type's lack of rear seat room is a waste design done intentionally to protect the more expensive S60 & S-Type, respectively."
Not true for Volvo. I had sales brochures for both the S40 and S60. I closely compared their interior dimensions. The S40's rear seat was listed as having more leg room and more head room than the S60's rear seat. Have you ever tried to sit in the back seat of an S60?”
Yes, it seems that the S60 got a tad more leg room on one side, but less on the other side. I forgot was it right or left. Still, that's a sign of trying not to steal too much sales from the S60.
Because, in order for the N.A.-spec S40 to match the Mazda3's more decent passenger-side rear leg room, you have to get the T-5 premium so you can tilt up the front passenger seat's thigh support. The Mazda3 can easily achieve this leg room w/o the front-seat cushion tilt's help. & the Focus II is probably even roomier still, while all 3 of these C-1 cars share the same wheelbase!
I've seen the current Mondeo in foreign countries, & had a chance to ride in one. You're not gonna believe this same platform as the Jaguar X-Type, but w/ just slightly longer wheelbase, can provide so much leg room that my 5'11" frame fits in the front passenger seat even w/ the seat moved all the way forward -- just like the good old honest Volvo 240! & the Jag X-Type's rear leg room is a joke.
Also, I highly suspect that I will need the slightly longer springs & firmer shocks/swaybars on the AWD, as the FWD's std suspension runs out of the front-spring travel too easily if I don't slow down a lot over the speed bumps. That's why I find the S40's std tuning too soft for its Focus-like not-so-long front springs.
#961 of 1807 2004.5 & 2005 S40
Nov 04, 2004 (12:52 pm)
I am looking into purchasing the new S40. I know Volvo has had some reliability issues in past models but has anyone heard how the current years are?
#962 of 1807 Charcoal Filter, ctd.
Nov 04, 2004 (9:28 pm)
Yes, the filter is an activated charcoal filter.