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#196 of 1806 The Engine and more...
Aug 25, 2000 (5:36 pm)
I feel fine about the engine in my TC. As I said, I feel the power is more than adequate, and the transmission (which is not the same as the Merc/CV) makes a huge contribution.
Concerning, the Night Vision from Cadillac, it's just that sort of option I try to avoid. The trouble history for the TC is very good. Nothing seems to go wrong with them. Part of the reason is the conservative approach to adding options, in my humble opinion.
For years I've been a Mopar man - Had a '68 T-bird way back when, and loved it. Since Mopar is no longer producing a Luxury car, the TC was a tough, but good choice. So far I am happy in the Lincoln camp. I've been treated well. In all my Chryslers and Imperials, there has been minimal difference in engine configurations, except for the 300's. It's never bothered me.
I like the fuel consumption, and the engine is smooth, plenty powerful, and should have lots of miles in it.
I took the TS option for the dual exh, torque converter, more power, etc. If they had offered a more powerful/exclusive motor I might have taken it, but maybe not. I note that the 2001 has more ponies - up to 240.
So far, I've not wanted for power on any hill or passing situation, or just screwing around seeing how well the Michelins stick.
#197 of 1806 TC and competition
Aug 25, 2000 (11:44 pm)
The TC with the TS option is the finest car of it's type; it is also the ONLY car of it's type. As observed, most TC's on the road belong to limo companies and rental agencies. Limo companies love em because they are fairly inexpensive (fleet deals) reliable, durable and cheap to fix. However, the styling won't win any awards (chk current BMW, Audi and MBZ's for excellent industrial design). The solid rear axle is also obsolete despite recent improvements; no one else uses one currently (except for pony cars and trucks) because they just don't work well on uneven surfaces, but they are needed to build a good stretch limo. Also, a solid axle impedes on interior space, forcing the rear seat forward. In addition, a big complaint limo companies have is the trunk; though roomy, it has a much smaller opening than before. This costs them; sometimes a second car is needed to carry luggage that would have otherwise fit through the trunk opening. If you want to really see a modern Lincoln, check the LS-it just needs more power to really give the imports a run for their money.
Also, big celeb's ask for a TC only because stretches get noticed and you can get queasy riding around in them compared to a sedan. I worked for one of the biggest limo co's a few years back in the biggest celeb market, Los Angeles.
#198 of 1806 extra HP without TC option?
Aug 27, 2000 (8:39 pm)
I understand that the TS option entails dual exhaust and a little more horsepower along with a different rear axle ratio. I realize that this axle ratio allows for better acceleration but at the expense of a little bit of fuel economy, since for any given speed, the engine will turn a few more revolutions (increased RPM's).
Here are my questions. Can one opt for the dual exhaust, higher horsepower engine option but keep the original rear axle ratio? In addition, since I am not fond of the seats that come with the TC option, can one opt for the non TS seats?
Personally, I don't want the extra acceleration the different rear axle would allow, but wouldn't mind the added horsepower.
#199 of 1806 Difference drew 111
Aug 28, 2000 (2:01 am)
is insignificant regarding fuel economy. Added horsepower is needed regardless of the rear axle ratio. It's easy to twin out the exhaust with the standard axle ratio and by doing so, the extra horsepower will develop. I wouldn't bother with a second cat, just use a good brand of muffler for the other side. Less back pressure = more poop. Enjoy.
#200 of 1806 Extra HP
Aug 28, 2000 (4:30 pm)
You can get the dual exhaust, higher HP option with the standard axle ratio by ordering the Cartier version. You also get 'upgraded' leather. The drivetrain difference between the Cartier and Touring Sedan is that the Touring Sedan has the lower axle ratio, and a bigger torque converter. The Cartier has just has the dual exh.
I consistently get 22mpg+ on hilly freeways, cruising at 70mph or so. Flat freeways at 65mph return 24mpg, at 80mph return 20mpg.
In my Touring Sedan, I have not noticed any stress whatsoever with the lower axle ratio. I don't know exactly, but at 70mph, I doubt the engine is turning more than 3,000-3,250 at the most. The TS option is great. I get lots of punch when it kicks down for passing, but cruising is a dream at 65-80mph.
Also, with regard to the MB/BMW style comments - this is all purely subjective of course - I thing the German cars are almost totally lacking in automotive style. I feel their design is great for a blender, or food mixer, or other kitchen appliance, but not really great for a car. The squared corners, boxy, sort of look is just not for me.
When the present TC style came out, it took some getting used to. But I really like its aggressive stance, largeness, and unwillingness to blend in with the Toyotas.
One other thing I wanted but could not get was white-wall tires as an option. I think a thin white-wall would have looked good. Oh well.
#201 of 1806 There are (dbd34)
Aug 28, 2000 (7:00 pm)
some Michelin tire sizes which do not have WSW and some sizes do. Our Sig Touring had 225 Goodyear GA's (WSW) that ran 60,000 with only four flats, but the same size in the Michelin X-1 didn't have a WSW so I went to the 215 which did as did the 235. I doubt the 235 with tire chains would have cleared as well so went with the 215.
#202 of 1806 Renting before buying
Aug 28, 2000 (9:07 pm)
This time around I have decided to rent vehicles of intrest before I purchase one so that I can first hand try to see what I am getting. That, in addition to visiting this Edmunds chat service... Now, the first one to rent was the XLT Expedition 4X4. My wife and I rented on to drive to Laughlin Nevada from San Jose California to a Harley Davidson event. I have a bad back, not only did my back hurt, my wife's did also. The convience was great. I know it was not a Navigator with auto leveling suspension and power lumbar support, but that opened my search program....(have you set in a Yukon XL seat?)..it was great, but I am only going to buy other than Ford product as a last resort...Next we rented a Lincoln Town Car Snigiture Series non sport...We went from San Jose to Santa Barbara and stopped at every coastal town along the way. Highway 1, that has a few curves. Both my wife and I took turns driving. The Lincoln handled better than I had expected. It had the power lumbar. My back did not hurt at all. My wife agreed fully....I asked my wife, "When can we go down and buy one?..She said "NO" it looks like a old persons car...I disagreed...I still have not driven a Lincoln Town Car with the "Sport" option....So, anyway, we just got back from Lake Tahoe,..we rented a Cadillac Deville std. Lots of power, a lot of nice features. This model did not have the power lumbar option, and my back knew it. It had lots of power, 275 hp. It did not look too bad either. I noticed that on some of the hard turns around the Lake it bottomed out in the front suspension....The funny thing is that my wife noticed that too. I guess that the main attraction to the Caddy was the power, and the IMAGE it has. that is at least the important thing my wife considered. I still believe that a Lincoln with a sportier sport option would be better. People would buy it and Lincoln would make more money. Should I stand by my friends and buy a Ford product no matter what? OR Should I buy a Caddy and make my wife happy? OR Should I hope Lincoln Motot Division tweaks the Image of the Town Car?......Now just what do you think a MK-VIII engine plus 18" wheels would do?
#203 of 1806 "It looks like an old persons car"
Aug 29, 2000 (3:42 pm)
With age comes wisdom. A sales rep wanted the T/C for his job, but his 49 year old wife did not want to be associated with "old persons" so he bot the Chrysler M. She drives a Lexus coupe, dies her hair, but wears large hats to church. I too had "back pain", bought a Lincoln T/C, but what relieved my pain was dropping a lot of weight which took pressure off my lower back.
#204 of 1806 Two vehicles
Aug 29, 2000 (7:05 pm)
My truck needs replacing, I am going to buy a Ford Super Crew (.) So what if my wife dies her hair and wears big hats to church. I do not want to drive to church with her in a Lexus, which definitely does look dull. I do not want to pay for a S Class Mercedes. I want a Lincoln, she does not want a Town Car. I do not feel comfortable in a LS or a S-Jag. I go to Golds Gym three to four times a week for my back and weight. I showed my wife the activity on the Edmunds Consumer Comments for the LS. She was surprised with ALL of the activity. My wifes first choice of a vehicle was the Lincoln Navigator. It was mine too until I had a uncomfortable experience with the XLT Expedition. I know that the Expedition and Navigator are packaged completely different. So in order to be fair I am going to rent a Navigator from Budget Rental in a couple of months. My weight is too much, but the main reason my back hurts is because of a job related workmans comp injury. Harley Davidson people don't like it, but I want to tow my Road King Classic close to an event in a comfortable vehicle and then drive into town like I rode hundreds upon hundreds of miles across the country. I wanted a Town Car, but I might have to settle for a LSv8 sport and a Super Crew. (or) a Navigator and a basic F-150. I had hoped not to end up with two truck type vehicles. I still believe that the LS and Navigator people need to hang out more with the Town Car people. IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A OLD PERSONS car to me. I just want a MK-8 engine. I can put different wheels on it and more rumble in the exhaust.
Aug 30, 2000 (8:52 pm)
Can you tell me any Good reason why the Lincoln does not include the MK-8 or the Navigator engine in their Signature Series Sport Touring PKG. plus the better seats like another person mentioned?
One more thing, maybe the Limosine people might like a bigger more powerful engine.
And maybe some 90 year old grandma might get a kick out of lighting up the tires. I am just a kid and just might want to do it too.
AND why does the flat black paint come off the chrome around the window?