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Replying to: bolivar (Jan 22, 2006 1:14 pm)
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| I don't think the discussion is counter-productive and a waste of bandwidth (lying is counter-productive and I don't think anyone is doing that), the information is hard to follow since the context is confusing. What would be more productive is to have a sticky or a thread where people could share what they know about local sales tax laws, then organize it state-by-state so it would be a good resource for members. It could be edited and expanded as more info was available, ala Wikipedia. | |
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On a new car, tax is net of trade. On a used car, tax is calculated excluding any trade (new car dealers have a better lobby group) On leasing a car, all the sales tax is paid up front on the lease, rather than monthly. Ohio is fast becoming a state of old or less educated people, so they have to keep coming up with new ways to generate more tax dollars to keep the inefficient state government lurching along. |
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Replying to: steine13 (Jan 21, 2006 3:16 pm) So what? I understand why some dealers won't do in&outs, it's their choice, but I still don't see the problem. At least in MI, the dealer can tell the buyer to go climb a tree... "AS IS". Yeah, but let's face it, a lot of people have a major blind spot when it comes to "AS IS" or "NO REFUNDS" signs. They believe they are entitled to return anything, anytime and will turn the thing into a holy war if someone tells them they can't. |
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Ok, guess I started this whole tax mess with my original question about an "in and out."  So, here's some clarification on my situation and intent. Here in MO (Missouri), you don't pay sales tax up front on a lease but rather on each monthly payment. That means no tax has been collected on the end-of-lease residual value of the vehicle. As a result, if you buy your own car off lease, you DO owe sales tax on the purchase price, and you DO have to register it, and pay, to get the clean title in order to sell it. Assume with me that the car in question is worth a couple grand more than the lease residual value. My original question DID ask if I could avoid paying sales tax by having a dealer do an in and out. My intent was to pay the dealer for the trouble. After both you guys and an in-person dealer telling me that's not likely, I fully accepted that it wouldn't happen, and I understand why. My follow up idea is/was this - since the car is still worth more than the lease-end purchase price, I should be able to make some money. Would a used-car guy at a dealership ever just buy the car from me? In other words, walk into a local Nissan store, find the UC guy and ask what he'd give me for the car. Then, assuming it's more than the buy-out price, accept his offer, he'd pay off Nissan and cut me a check for the difference (for ex.: buyout $13K, car private party value $15K (dealer retail maybe $15.5K?), dealer buys from me for $14 K, I make $1K, dealer can still retail the car, making $1.5K less expenses). Seems to boil down to: do dealers ever just buy cars from guys off the street? Interested to get all your thoughts. Squirrel
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Replying to: squirreljam (Jan 23, 2006 12:41 pm) I'm not a dealer. Yes dealers buy cars from guys off the street every day. But it has to be worth their while. I think $1.5K may not be enough for most. |
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Replying to: squirreljam (Jan 23, 2006 12:41 pm) Carmax does exactly that. |
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Since the dealer does not have to pay sales tax when they (effectively) buy out your lease, it would avoid the big tax hit on you if you did it all yourself. I do know one person that lucked out and had her lease vehicle worth quite a bit more than the residual (timed the SUV craze right). So, she was able to trade it in on a new one, and applied the positive equity. But, I bet it doesn't actually happen that often.
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Replying to: stickguy (Jan 23, 2006 1:36 pm)  . It has 21K miles on it and he had $1000 positive equity on a $13K residual. Very very rare tho.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 23, 2006 3:17 pm) My BIL has had positive equity applied to his last 2 leases, trading in an Integra and a Accord EX V6 coupe - both leased thru Honda dealership financing. |
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