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Re: update Re: Dealers - help with 3-way deal? [steine13] by robr2
Jan 21, 2006 (4:21 pm)

Replying to: steine13 (Jan 20, 2006 5:55 pm)

#1 does not apply, as you cannot "trade in" a leased car unless you own it, and if you don't buy it from the leasing company, you DON'T own it.
 
Mathias - I'm well aware of that. I was discussing the situation with a vehicle you own outright. IMHO, it's silly to buyout a lease vehicle just to sell it right away. Worse than just paying the sales tax on the used car is the fact that you've already paid the full sales tax on it when it was leased (as least here in MA).
 
Actually, I think one can avoid the sales tax when buying the leased vehicle by not registering it. Here in MA, you don't pay the sales tax until you register it. No registration, no tax.
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Re: It's not worth the trouble.. [steine13] by robr2
Jan 21, 2006 (4:24 pm)

Replying to: steine13 (Jan 21, 2006 3:16 pm)

At least in MI, the dealer can tell the buyer to go climb a tree... "AS IS".
 
Not in MA. IIRC every used car sold through a dealer has to be warrantied in some fashion.
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Re: update Re: Dealers - help with 3-way deal? [robr2] by exb0
Jan 21, 2006 (5:28 pm)

Replying to: robr2 (Jan 21, 2006 4:21 pm)

IMHO, it's silly to buyout a lease vehicle just to sell it right away.
 
That is an interesting point. If the residual is lower than the trade-in value of the car, do I have to pay taxes on the residual if I trade the car to a dealer for a new car? I live in Virginia, if it makes any difference.
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Re: update Re: Dealers - help with 3-way deal? [exb0] by kdhspyder
Jan 21, 2006 (9:46 pm)

Replying to: exb0 (Jan 21, 2006 5:28 pm)

VA is one of the 'gouging' states. NC is not. In VA the price of the new vehicle is on which the taxes are based; e.g. $20000 sale price x 3% = $600 in taxes.
 
On your trade - the lease for example - you already paid the full tax on the original sales price back when you took the lease out; e.g. $25000 transaction price x 3% = $750 taxes paid . Thus when you 'trade' it in or if you were to buy it outright you dont owe any taxes.
 
Therefore if you have positive equity vis-a-vis the residual value it's just pure cash in your pocket or additional downpayment. No taxes due.
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Just to clarify on taxes by catam
Jan 21, 2006 (11:05 pm)
I am looking to trade my Accord on an Odyssey. I would expect that their will be about $10K difference between my trade value and the Ody price. I am planning on leasing the Ody. When calculating my lease payments I should expect to pay taxes only on the $10 K.
Is that correct??
Thanks for any info.
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Re: It's not worth the trouble.. [steine13] by isellhondas
Jan 22, 2006 (9:29 am)

Replying to: steine13 (Jan 21, 2006 3:16 pm)

I'm not in OR, I'm in WA.
 
All I'm saying is for a low/no profit deal it just isn't worth the trouble and risks.
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catam by stickguy
Jan 22, 2006 (9:33 am)
I think it depends on the state, I looked into this recently in NJ, and was told by the dealer that I would NOT received a tax credit for my trade in against a lease, only on a urchase. Really not sure of the nuances, but your best bet is to ask the finance manager at the Honda dealer, since they wil know the specific rules in your state.
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Re: update Re: Dealers - help with 3-way deal? [kdhspyder] by exb0
Jan 22, 2006 (10:17 am)

Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 21, 2006 9:46 pm)

kdhspyder, thank you for your reply.
 
Your answer makes a lot of sense, however, I am confused. The reason I am confused is because when I leased my wife’s Odyssey, the salesman told me that I have to pay full tax on the original sales price at the origination of the lease, and if I decide to purchase the van at the end of the lease, I will have to pay sales tax again on the residual value.
 
I guess the salesman who sold me the van was “confused”.
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Or just dumb! by isellhondas
Jan 22, 2006 (10:22 am)
With a lease, you pay tax as you go with every lease payment. If you choose to buy it at lease end, you pay tax on the residual.
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Re: Or just dumb! [isellhondas] by volvodan1
Jan 22, 2006 (11:11 am)

Replying to: isellhondas (Jan 22, 2006 10:22 am)

It depends on the state. I sell on the Iowa - Illinois border. In Iowa the consumer pays tax on the lease payments. In Illinois you pay tax on the purchase price of the vehicle. If you were to buy the vehicle at the end of the lease you pay tax again in IL.

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