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#583 of 3318 And, for more consumer opinion... by snurple Feb 15, 2001 (10:29 am)
on the creeping fees go over to:   vwvortex.com Forums Passat (B5) Topic: "recieved counter B5.5 offer"   Also, for those interested in a GLX, check out "Pricing on 2001.5 GLX" in the same forum...
#584 of 3318 Port Prep/Floor Plan Reserve by vwguild Feb 15, 2001 (12:20 pm)
The above two items are not a part of the Retail Price side of an Invoice and are not a part of the Monroney Label in the window either. These are not fees passed along to the customer; they are an addition to the Dealer's cost for the car.   If a customer is getting a straight discount off of the Retail/MSRP price of the car these fees would never even be seen. However, for the customer who is negotiating a price over the Dealers Invoice then, indeed, these numbers are a part of that Invoice. The same applies to any regional advertising fees...they too are added to the Dealer's cost of the car, and are not a part of the Retail price of the car.   In answer to the question regarding what is Port Prep and why it is not part of the Destination Fee...Destination Fees are the cost of transporting the car from Emden or Hanover to the US and for the Carrier, Wagoneers, to deliver the car to the Dealership. Port Prep involves all the work that is done on the vehicle once it reaches the Port of San Diego, the Port of Houston or Delaware. Every VW goes through a thorough inspection process at each Port...if repairs are required they are done at the Port facility... whether it be mechanical or cosmetic. In lieu of attaching a specific fee for these repairs the Port Prep fee is attached to each car the dealer receives. The reason that it is seperate is because the Ports of San Diego, Houston, and Delaware do not transport vehicles, they process them for delivery to over 600 US Dealers including making sure that about 1000 cars a day, 365 days a year go to the right place and in a timely & efficient manner.
#585 of 3318 To summarize the above post... by snurple Feb 15, 2001 (12:48 pm)
Those people who are willing to overpay for a vehicle (by paying anywhere near MSRP), don't notice fees, and will not notice that they are getting a bad deal. But, for those who insist on getting a good deal, they will run into all kinds of fees that effectively pad out the "invoice." Now that consumers are more aware of the dealer gross profit of holdback, which is *under* invoice, the dealer/manufacturers have responded by initiating a set of fees *over* invoice (or *within* invoice), to insure a steady flow of profit.   Per vwguild, all cars must be inspected after they arrive at the U.S. port AND customers are being asked to pay this fee. Next, we will be asked to pay an "inspection fee" at the port in Germany, to inspect for damage after the journey from the factory to the German port AND an additional inspection fee to check on damage after the journey from the U.S. port to the dealership. What about an inspection at the end of the assembly line? What about U.S. customs fees?   A specific comment on: "In lieu of attaching a specific fee for these repairs the Port Prep fee is attached to each car the dealer receives." Wouldn't insurance cover such inspections and repairs--why is the consumer being asked to pay for the negligence of a sailor who trips and slams his marlin spike right through the hood of a silverstone gray Passat?!
#586 of 3318 surple by vwguild Feb 15, 2001 (1:28 pm)
Trying to exchange info with you is not too dissimilar to trying to have a conversation with a teenager...   You asked a question; I answered it...If you don't like the answers; don't ask the questions.
#587 of 3318 Fees by ffxvw Feb 15, 2001 (1:50 pm)
Snurple, I agree with you on some of your points. Auto manufacturers breaking out all of these fees seperately is asinine. Do you know I have to waste hours of my time every day explaining these fees away? I hate them. They are one of the biggest headaches I have currently. But here's the rub: it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if I don't like them, or if you don't like them, or if everyone and their mother doesn't like them. The dealer gets charged seperately for all of these fees, and believe me, when the dealer cuts a check to the manufacturer for the car, they don't have an option of arguing over them. Now you can say you refuse to pay them. People do all of the time. But that doesn't mean they magically disappear. Some dealers may say that you don't have to pay them. And then they're only willing to go down to $600 over, whereas if you accepted invoice with the extra fees, they would go down to $500 over. There is always going to be a point where the dealer is willing to let you leave rather than discount anymore. And whether you're willing to pay these fees or not, its the same exact point in overall dollars.   Jason
#588 of 3318 vwguild & ffxvw... by snurple Feb 15, 2001 (2:11 pm)
nice good cop, bad cop routine!   "You asked a question; I answered it...If you don't like the answers; don't ask the questions." All I can say to this, vwguild, is "WHAT?" I didn't realize that I had to "like" the answers to questions I asked...   ffxvw, while I sympathize with the "dealer's plight" of having to pay these fees, I think that this is really something you need to take up with VWoA--you guys are getting screwed! But, I'll thank you not to pass along the screwing to me and other consumers.   As for the bottom-line at the end of the negotiation remaining the same: for those who blandly accept fees, the bottom-line has, of course, gone up. And those who are knowledgeable about and dispute such additional charges, they, of course, wind up paying a more reasonable price.   If no one agrees to pay these fees, and if people pay only in relation to a stable invoice price, then guess what--those fees actually would "magically disappear." Dealers would not be able to use them to pad out the out-the-door price. Whether or not actual prices would immediately expand out to the fee-filled level, I have no idea. But, as long as people are educated about pricing, shop around, and are willing to walk, they will get the best possible deal.
#589 of 3318 GIVE IT A REST by mney6 Feb 15, 2001 (2:45 pm)
Snurple know matter what anybody says you continue to blow it of as facts.Every manufacturer does charge a ad fee.Some include it in the invoice , while others itemize them out.I work for Nissan and they itemize it out. I personally don't like it that way and I wish they would include it in the invoice instead.Your advice to refuse to pay those fees can't be done,just like my refusal to pay those fees to the manufacturer. When a client comes in with all the invoice prices I have no problem pulling my invoice.But when my invoice is off by 262.00 I am a ------ liar.I understand your job is to stir things up in here but until you own,work or invest in a dealership all your doing is blowing hot air.
#590 of 3318 Dealers like yourself... by snurple Feb 15, 2001 (3:16 pm)
have dozens of arguments up their sleeves to justify an asking price. Consumers can negotiate a better deal if they are well-informed.   Just because something is called a "fee" does not mean that it can't be negotiated around--especially if people can muster a good argument to dispute its legitimacy.   All of this is about negotiation. I know when I walk into a dealership that most salesmen will utilize ten different tactics intended to separate me from more of my money. I am suggesting that "fees" of this nature are a tactic in this catagory--no matter where these fees originate from.   Let's see, in the last dozen posts we have heard from no less than FOUR different dealers. You are right, there IS a lot of hot air blowing around here...
#591 of 3318 Snurple by im_brentwood Feb 15, 2001 (6:29 pm)
Great Ideas!   As consumers we must be assertive!   Volkswagens cost too much! When you're sitting down at the desk with the salesman, ask him to get you a cup of coffee. The grab the keys and steal the car! Now you REALLY got a good deal!   WHAT? That real estate Agent said that a small house in Northern New Jersey is $200,000? THATS NUTS! Tell her that you can get one JUST Like it in Pocatello, Idaho for $60K! Be Assertive! DEMAND a Better price!   I did this at Tower Records ALL the time! I go up to the counter and REFUSED to pay the sales tax at their store in NY City because I lived in NJ! I also DEMANDED a Discount because I dont need the CD Jewel case. I keep my CDs in a Book.   I just told the people at the Orange County Florida Tax Collectors office where to go! They wanted $45 or so for a STICKER for my License plate! $45 for a STICKER??? NUTS! I told them $1!   Bill
#592 of 3318 Snurple by afk_x Feb 15, 2001 (10:25 pm)
Mr. Snurple -   I don't sell volkswagons.   I don't own one.   I don't plan on buying one any time soon.   Why do I read this thread??   ITS YOU BROTHER! YOU!!   I come home from work , need some entertainment, and I come here to read YOUR posts. Tonight I almost fell out of my chair reading your posts, and now my stomach muscles are sore from the laughter.   You the man!   I am your number one fan. Keep up the good work.

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