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#238 of 3318 ffxvw--dealers aren't evil? by snurple Nov 28, 2000 (9:41 pm)
You wouldn't just be saying that would you? Online sales of _2001 Passats_ are slowing down a little. BUT WHY?... Because this is the END of the 2001 model year--there are not very many 2001 Passats left. WHY?... Because they are being phased out--you guys are trying to unload them like hotcakes because their value is falling. WHY?... Because the brand spanking new 2001.5s are coming in about two months. All online buying services are quite clear about this "limited availability of 2001 Passats at this time." If someone decides, nonetheless, to put down a deposit on a 2001 Passat, and the online buyer can't find one in their remote corner of the country, then that customer has NOT been "misinformed" or "mislead." This is contrary to your misinformation. Just wait until next year, when VW stocks your shelves with the new model. At that point, online buying services will be able to freely acquire Passats--and help to drive down your inflated prices.
#239 of 3318 Where by jelliot Nov 28, 2000 (10:39 pm)
will the online buying services "be able to freely acquire Passats"?
#240 of 3318 Shrewd question... by snurple Nov 28, 2000 (11:16 pm)
Online buying services freely acquire Passats from dealers--who are quite willing to allocate part of their inventory to "middlemen." Since dealers make a fair profit margin in this kind of transaction, it is advantageous for them to do so. Contrary to what you may have heard, Passats are not *that* scarce. Online buying services (like carsdirect.com, greenlight.com, etc.) "hand deliver" buyers to dealers. Such transactions, while not involving obscene profit margins, do yield a fair profit margin, and require little dealer effort. BTW, this is similar to how online "referral services" (like autobytel.com) work. They hook up savvy shoppers with dealers looking for customers. Dealers do business with both online buying services and online referral services because this allows them to make a fair profit margin with relatively little effort. If it wasn't profitable for dealers, they would not engage in these transactions. Hope that helps...
#241 of 3318 2001.5 Prices by rd121234 Nov 29, 2000 (1:09 am)
Hey Snurple . I am close to buying a Passat GLX with 4Mo(probably wagon but maybe sedan). My old Volvo is dying and I don't know if I can wait for the .5s . I read (maybe at VwVortex ? ) that there is only supposed to be a price increase of $300.00 USD on the 2001.5s . Is that true? I was intending to try for $1000 over invoice on a 2001. If you are correct about the impending drop in value of the 2001 cars, my impression is that dealers will not be willing to discount much on the .5s. I will purchase from a dealer , as I intend to use the service dept. that is 10 minutes from my house .Thanks. RD
#242 of 3318 Car_Man by vwguild Nov 29, 2000 (5:31 am)
Is there no way to stop this seemingly endless pontificating? This seems to be an unending stream of 1/2 truths spewed forth with no documentable authority by a bitter VW owner in search of a new Nissan; who is as anonymous as John Doe. Everytime someone is in the automobile industry tries to pass along any helpful information they are met with these ramblings...please go back to post #193 and read on to #253 for a brief example. This forum, as I understand it, is for the exchange of HELPFUL information regarding the VW Passat and the Smart Shopper. It is not only intended to be constructive, but enjoyable as well. Opposing OPINIONS are the cornerstone of this type of venue, but what is coming out of this poster is being set forth as FACTS; not opinions and, like most well constructed lies, are garnished with sprinkles of truth...This is particularly harmful coming from an anonymous source, and certainly takes any enjoyment out of participating...
#243 of 3318 Car_Man by vwguild Nov 29, 2000 (6:53 am)
Post-script...my error, not shopping for a Nissan, but a MAAzda
#244 of 3318 Snurple by im_brentwood Nov 29, 2000 (7:57 am)
Hmm, Ok, I'll gladly bite even if it isn't about Passats. And I have a friend of mine in the market for one here in FL and he's having a heck of a time finding a deal on one. Generally, Since I work in the business I can get a pretty good deal on one I thought. No dice so far. The trick is even finding a Silver GLX 5-Sp for him. That being said, would you like some examples? >If you have a particular example to share about >online buying, then please go ahead. But, your >attempt to introduce a nasty rumor about some of >your chief competitors was laughably hamfisted. Let's see if you can post responses to this without personal attacks like every other poster in here has been able to do! It's just a chat forum! Carsdirect.com has recently inundated us with orders for discounted Ultra-Luxury LS430s. (I work for Lexus) promising these vehicles to customers quickly. They have all been either White or Silver (Even if they list colors from the 1998 LS400 on their website). I have a serious backlog of these cars in light colors. I certainly cannot get you one before January at the very earliest, probably closer to February if you need chrome wheels as all of these ordered cars are coming in with. "But, we promised the customer the car as a Christmas gift for his wife" Well, we're going to be getting 1-2 White Ultra Luxurys per month from here on in. We have 7 orders from our customers for white Ultra Luxury LS430s. Our Local customers, of course, will get priority. Not some guy in Miami. Not that we have anything against him, but it's good business sense to take care of your local customers first. Also, selling outside of your territory is frowned upon by Lexus. They are apparently calling every dealer in the state trying to fill the orders without any luck. I'd imagine they have several angry customers. They also sell the car for $10,404 over invoice (This is a $70K+ car we're discussing) And expect to pay $2,000 over from us. Not going to happen. They want to make $8400. Expect us to make $2000. They are also telling customers that they can get them White LX470s with Navigation while they are very very very hard to get right now and I have a waiting list for them. They have also sent me the two following requests: Silver GS300 with Cloth (Special Order only) Customer was told 2-week delivery timeframe. Will be 8-12 weeks. Midnight Pine GS430 with Chrome 17" Wheels, Navigation and Premium Sound and Wing. We get 2 GS430s a month and do not order them in this color. We can't afford to! Also, quite likely a special order car. Customer was promised 2 week delivery. Yes, Online car dealers are out to offer customers fair deals.. Currently they list GSs at above what we sell them for yet expect to buy them for near invoice. I don't buy it. Since the days of oversubsidised deals are over, I have yet to see them be that special pricewise. And, frankly, on many high-line cars, they're not that competitive! Obviously it may be different on VWs, but I don't see where they are doing customers a favor. CarOrder would also frequently send us orders for cars that, in reality, did not exist aside from special order and they would also cause nothing but headaches. Here's an example: A customer I had at Volvo (Before I moved to FL) Wanted a very odd equipment combo. I tried searching for the car but it did not exist. We told the customer that it would be a special order. If I recall it was an S80 T6 without a Moonroof and with Navigation or something crazy like that. No problem, but not a car that we stocked. The customer also wanted an odd color combo. CarOder was happy to tell them that the car would be no problem. Car Order basically Jerked the customer around with false promises (I did a national search for the car via Volvo's computer system, there were NO Venetian Red/Black T6s with Navigation in the country at ALL at the time, Irrespective of other equipment!) After several other mess-ups we refused to do business with carorder We got nothing but Irate customers out of it. By the time that we would get involved to deliver or confirm it, the customers were generally quite irate. It wasn't worth the bad CSI and unhappy customers to us at the time. My Experiences... Bill
#245 of 3318 vwguild, and my fellow Passaters... by snurple Nov 29, 2000 (8:15 am)
I've been sharing a synthesis of auto buying negotiating techniques that I have gathered from a number of sources--from sites like edmunds.com, or books like "The Car Buyers Negotiating Bible." As I undestand it, this Passat Smart Shopper forum is a "consumer support group" for those trying to make their way through the very complicated process of buying a car. I have read many of your posts, vwguild, and I, for one, appreciate what you have to offer in the way of facts about the Passat and honest information about how VW dealers work. On occasion, however, you and the other dealers who have popped in have passed along "information" that is really just part of a sales pitch. I don't see how you can claim that your posts of this kind are helpful to the consumer, or, for that matter, particularly accurate. As I understand it, this site is designed for consumers. I am a consumer. I have not posted my name (or a VW dealer website address) because I am not here to expand my client base. Most of us have not posted our names or other "credentials." You knew when you joined this forum that you would be welcomed by some as a "friendly dealer," and viewed by others as a "typical car salesman." You took this risk, in part, because you are a VW dealer and "want to better understand your customers." I haven't been shy with my passionately held opinions, oftentimes to counteract "sales pitches," and I happen to be really enjoying this recent exchange. The fact is, we are both intelligent, opinionated people. I am trying to undercut your arguments, just as you are trying to undercut my arguments--except I haven't run to the forum host and asked for intervention. I am here because I am looking to buy a Passat and I am "practicing" for my upcoming negotiations. I have learned from the comments of others and I hope that my comments prove helpful to others.
#246 of 3318 Ok, I'll admit it... by snurple Nov 29, 2000 (8:24 am)
In my efforts to counteract various dealer's pronouncements that Passats are *very difficult* to get, I may have implied that you could get them basically for free. But, I'll tell you, sometimes you have to encourage people to get in there and fight for a good deal...especially when you have all kinds of dealers telling them they can't get one. I must say, this forum is turning into a dealers convention. Oh, and I promise to keep all future posts to 50 words or less
#247 of 3318 just purchased GLX V6 Wgn by skadair Nov 29, 2000 (5:08 pm)
Purchse price(incl. dest. fee; b/f ttl) = $27142 Invoice (5spd, incl. dest. fee) = $26873 % over invoice = 1% (or $269) additional fees: = 3% tax (North Carolina) = $58 registration = $117 Port/Floor Fee = $99 Documentation Fee Thank you to all the posters in this forum. I was totally prepared going into negotiations and not surprised by anything. Oh yeah... the car is Silver with Black Interior. You'll have to ask my wife how it drives. I haven't gotten the chance, yet. Regards, Jason

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