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#228 of 3318 Just wondering how much............ by zhenya Nov 26, 2000 (12:59 am)
Hi, I'm in for Vw Passat GLS 1.8 Station wagon with moonson sound sys,Tiptronic trans, & Leather Package. To my calculation total price should come out with 8.25% N.Y tax & $160 registr. about 24,800. I'm not sure that's correct price though More I'm not sure about recent 2-3 years Vw reliability. I rely on Consumer Reports but they not giving reliability record for every year for 4 cyl. or for 6 cyl. What do you have to say about it.      Does anyone has GLS '99 or '00 that already have something to share.    Thanks
#229 of 3318 GLX 4Mo vs. A6 Quattro by snurple Nov 26, 2000 (11:18 pm)
Let this be lesson #4036 on why not to believe a dealer... Joeb23, the availability and pricing of a 4Motion just depends. I trust that you have checked with multiple dealers and pitted them against each other and that you are referring to a new 2001 and not last year's 2000 model. This is an ESSENTIAL first step. Moreover, if you live in the sunbelt, 4Mo's WILL be less valuable. And, if the dealer has several on the lot, then demand is not as high as he might want you to believe. In addition, the GLX 4Mo is the top-of-the-line model and, many would claim, perhaps priced too high to begin with for any VW. Once you add in these factors, and mix in a little competition, I think you will find that this dealer will be more willing to give you a better deal--around $30K would be fair. As for his "helpful suggestion" of stepping up to an Audi--this is a classic up-sell. If you do a bit of research you will discover that an Audi A6 Quattro with the same options (leather, moonroof, seat memory, etc.) is about $8000 more than a Passat GLX 4Mo--not the $4000 he is claiming. Though an Audi does come with a better resale value--along with a much longer 4yr/50Kmile warranty--I am not sure if this is worth $8K or if you actually want to spend this much more. An Audi is a better car, and the actual price reflects this. I have considered the A6 option as well, but only by comparing a used 1999 A6Q to the GLX 4Mo--only then do you get the prices closer together. Remember, the 4Mo has some negatives as well--it's heavier, slower, and gets worse gas mileage. Don't get one unless you are sure that you want one--and if you are sure that you are getting a fair price. If you can't cut through this dealer's BS quickly than don't waste your time with him.
#230 of 3318 Passat 4-mo pricing by ffxvw Nov 27, 2000 (6:23 pm)
JoeB43, The Passat GLX w/4-motion is a great car, however, all Passats currently have availability problems, especially if your local dealer is a smaller store. This is throwing online Passat sales into chaos. There are several buying services out there that are getting into big trouble by quoting prices and taking orders, and then not being able to actually get a car. So be careful with using these information sources and services. Canvassing dealers is a time-honored way to price check, but it can be quite time consuming. You have to decide what's the best technique for you. Jason
#231 of 3318 ffxvw--typical "advice" from a dealer... by snurple Nov 27, 2000 (6:37 pm)
ffxvw, I gather that your suggestion to joeb43 is to pay whatever this one dealer is asking for the 4Mo in question?! You basically are saying that neither an online search, nor an effort to try other dealers will yield a better price. Pretty pessimistic, but EXACTLY what I would expect a dealer to suggest--"this is the best price out there--but don't bother to check." For all those interested in getting a good deal: the "best technique" for negotiation is to introduce competition.
#232 of 3318 Such venom.... by ffxvw Nov 27, 2000 (9:18 pm)
My only intention was to inform this person that the Passat market is chaotic because of slim availability in many areas. For example, on Edmund's, the TMV for a Passat 4-cylinder has a smaller profit margin than on the 6-cylinder. Well, that surely doesn't reflect reality in this area! 4-cylinders are increasingly hard to find, while I have 6-cylinders coming out of my ears! I wouldn't suggest jumping at the first offer, that is just silly. My personal suggestion to anyone looking at a car, for minimum fuss, is to formulate what you think a fair price is, and then call or e-mail dealers one at a time until someone either meets your goal, or if none can do it, revise your offer upward $150-$200 at a time. That's what I would do. Jason
#233 of 3318 Nice try at backpeddling... by snurple Nov 27, 2000 (10:59 pm)
but it's too little, too late. Sorry to say it, but your initial post was blatant dealer propaganda. Anything you can do to instill a sense of fear and desperation is intended to work in your favor. Re-read your first post (#241) and, if you are willing to see it from the consumer perspective, you will realize that that is exactly what you communicated. In particular, and in fact, you did not characterize the Passat market itself as "chaotic," instead, you claimed that online buying was chaotic, and basically disreputable. If you have a particular example to share about online buying, then please go ahead. But, your attempt to introduce a nasty rumor about some of your chief competitors was laughably hamfisted. Unfortunately, libeling your competition is often effective--and it is entirely appropriate for someone to call you on it. [I invite those who have had a pleasent and successful online buying experience to chime in...] And now, in your second post, I am having a little trouble reconciling your assertion that the Passat is in scarce supply when you yourself have "6-cylinders coming out of your ears"--the GLX 4Mo that started this discussion IS a 6-cylinder, is it not? To the degree that you or any other dealer wants to frequent this site in order to provide helpful information regarding either securing or enhancing their auto, then I don't have any quarrel with you. But, if you are here to spread rumors that will create consumer panic--and jack up your profits--then I, for one, will point out the weaknesses in your "sales pitch." Who do I think I am? Just some guy who has half a brain, and wants other people to have a fair and pleasent car buying experience...
#234 of 3318 GLX Price checking by stevecypa Nov 28, 2000 (4:19 am)
I have almost decided to get VW GLX, took one for a test drive (loved it)and talked shortly about prices. The dealer said that supply is very short, will be shorter, and he can offer me only MRSP, and adviced me to decide quickly. Said some other dealers sell them for 2-2.5K above MRSP. I checked the lot and found six GLX, and plenty of GLS.    I really don't know if this was just a dealer talk, or those are real prices? Can someone explain it to me? It's Chicago area. Steve
#235 of 3318 steve by vwguild Nov 28, 2000 (5:08 am)
The cars that you see on his lot are the last till the end of January...Check the many previous posts here and at *sedans* under VW Passat VIII.
#236 of 3318 Snurple.... by ffxvw Nov 28, 2000 (7:39 pm)
I'm not responsible for your simple-minded interpretation of my statements. I apologize if anyone took what I said as you did, but I believe your paranoia may be fairly unique. My advice to take online buying services and information sources with a grain of salt is based on my experiences as an Internet Sales Manager. I have had to deal with a large number of people who were misinformed or misled by these sources. And to let you know, I get paid on volume, not on margin, so the only profit I hold is the minimum to get my GSM to take the deal. Not all dealers are evil, relax. Jason P.S. I have had three customers in the past week who had their deposit returned from a direct buying service because no dealers would provide the cars to them.
#237 of 3318 Passat Shortage? ... Steve by joeb23 Nov 28, 2000 (8:50 pm)
I was at a dealer in Chicago when I heard the line "We don't deal on 4Mo's because they're so hard to come by." Perhaps there is a Passat shortage in the Chicago area ... or maybe they all studied from the same book on BS-ing customers. Either way I'm planning to take my time looking around. I have no need to rush and I'm quite happy to wait till late Jan or even till after the Chicago Auto Show in mid Feb.

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