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#1599 of 3318 About those fees again (port prep, floor plan interest reserve, and regional ads) by data2 Mar 27, 2002 (6:03 pm)
I'm sorry to beat the dead horse......   But, If the port prep fee ($25), floor plan interest ($92), and the regional advertising fee (that varies depending on your area) are costs that VWOA dealerships must recover and are not negotionable, then why doesn't VWOA just list this information right under the destination charge? VWOA could even list each regional market and its corresponding ad fee in A-Z order if there aren't too many, i.e, Northeast Regional Ad - $345, Southeast Regional Ad - $150. (Listing regional markets on the MSRP would compensate for dealers who need to ship cars outside of their regional marketing areas.) Surely, the word must be going back to VWOA that these charges are confusing their customers and causing them a less than satisfactory sales experience not to mention the amount of time dealers must spend explaining the charges. Since the port prep fee, the floor plan interest reserve fee, and the regional ad fee must be paid by every dealer on every car in every state, then the simple solution would be to list them on the MSRP just like the destination charge.   I did read Edmund's small print on the regional ad fee. So that I could budget the amount I would need for my area (according to the posts here some dealers charge this and some don't), I called VWOA Customer Care Center to get the fee for my region. (I didn't mind that Edmund's didn't list the fee. I was just glad that they gave me a heads up about it. I've got enough where-with-all to take it upon myself to take it to the next level.) So, I went right to the source and called VWOA and asked them myself. I assumed they could punch in my zip code and tell me the fee for my area. I called. The rep didn't know the answer but placed me on hold while he checked. He returned and stated that VWOA doesn't charge a regional ad fee. He then asked for the dealer who wanted to charge the fee. I explained that I didn't have a dealer yet, I just wanted to know the fee for my area so that I could account for it in my budget. I thanked the rep and hung up the phone. I didn't go ballistics. I thought either I didn't explain it well or it's not a direct charge from VWOA but some other type of charge. I plan on calling VWOA again.   And no, I don't have a problem paying mandatory fees. I just want to be prepared for them.
#1600 of 3318 data2, by landru2 Mar 27, 2002 (6:28 pm)
I don't sell VW's but I imagine they are similar to other makes in that the manufacturer does not charge the ad fees directly. They are typically charged by the regional associations of dealers that produce the ads for a given region. I would expect that VW0A doesn't charge any ad fees but the regional associations do.   This is why these fees are not seen on MSRP stickers. The stickers come from the manufacturer but the ad fees are levied by whatever regional association the car ends up in.
#1601 of 3318 I am not a smart man, but... by peachtree103 Mar 27, 2002 (6:30 pm)
If the fees are all mandatory, and included in the cost of every car sold to every dealer, why doesn't VW just up their invoice cost to the dealers to include the fees? These fees don't increase MSRP, so there shouldn't be a marketing advantage to accounting for the fees in the current manner. It would seem to eliminate a lot of real world confusion that exists throughout the VW posts.
#1602 of 3318 peach by mirth Mar 27, 2002 (7:14 pm)
I think there are 2-3 reasons why VW (or any manufacturer) doesn't up the invoice. The first is that they don't acknowledge the fact that we know what the invoice is - to them its private business even though everyone knows it. Second, it's probably more convenient for their accounts department to break the shipping/whatever costs out from the car's value. Finally, for the advertising costs, like landru was saying, they vary from region to region. The manufacturers all hold true to the fantasy that the MSRP is the price and leave the dealers to handle the reality.
#1603 of 3318 peach... by vwguild Mar 28, 2002 (9:01 am)
You have it down cold...They are on the Invoice... just as you have described...If you would care to see examples of several invoices, get me a fax number, and I would be happy to send them out to you...
#1604 of 3318 Vwguild by peachtree103 Mar 28, 2002 (3:55 pm)
If it's all on the invoice, then it seems to be more of an Edmunds (& others) problem. I'm not actively shopping for a VW, so I'll take your word for it. You make a great ambassador for VW. From reading these boards, if more VW dealers were like you, they could increase their market share by an easy 10%. keep up the good work.   Off topic question: Any info on the release date of the New Beetle convertible?
#1605 of 3318 peach... by vwguild Mar 29, 2002 (7:28 am)
Right again...I have made mention of these line item omissions many, many times here, but to no avail...   New Beetle Cabrio productiom is scheduled to commence in August...
#1606 of 3318 2002 PASSAT GLS 1.8T(AUTO) by lotus7 Mar 31, 2002 (5:50 pm)
Looking at this car. No other frills. Maybe Homelink, maybe not.Will try to offer dealer a price of $21,575. That's with a $500 profit accoring to Edmunds. Also included $25 Port and $92 Other charges. What am I missing? Ad fees? How much in Fla. Does this sound reasonable? Dealer says he will offer me car at $300 over invoice, but I haven't seen it yet. What other extra fees might be in there. Sticker price on it is approx. $22950. Let me know. Thanks.
#1607 of 3318 99 Passat GLS by peetert Apr 03, 2002 (10:15 am)
There's a VW dealer offering this car for 16995. It's green w/ 39k miles, power sunroof, cloth int 1.8L Turbo Auto trans. I'd like to get a good idea whrere to start negotiations for the price. I checked out the TMV and came up with the following   Trade - 12315 private - 13924 Dealer - 15590 Certified - 16590   Any suggestions.   I am still trying to figure out if i'm going to trade my current vehicle ('90 Volvo 740) in or sell it myself.   Thanks, Peeter

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