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3257 messages, Last post on Aug 20, 2008 at 8:59 PM
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Kiranarrise, I don't necessarily agree with the statement that you should walk away from this car if it is not a VW Certified Pre-Owned unit. There are plenty of good non-certified used cars out there. In fact, I know of many dealerships for many different vehicle manufacturers that don't even bother to go through the 200-whatever point inspection process they they supposedly do for all certified used vehicles. These dealers just treat them like they would any other used vehicle. The real advantage of Certified Used Vehicles is the extended warranty that they come with, but if you really want one you can just purchase one on your own. It is difficult to evaluate how much money a used car or truck is worth without actually seeing it. Vehicles' values will vary quite a bit depending upon what condition they are in and how many miles they have on them. Also, used vehicles can be worth considerably less money if they have been in a major accident or have had paintwork. However, if I had to guess, I would say that the Edmunds.com True Market Value price of $16,800 for a 1999 Passat GLS purchased at a dealership is fairly reasonable. Even though many people speak about the reliability problems that Volkswagens have had over the years. I think that the post-1998 model Passat has proven to be a fairly reliable car, minus a few electrical issues here and there. Granted, it's no Civic or Accord in terms of reliability, but few cars are. It is difficult to say exactly how long this Passat will last if you purchase it, but if its properly maintained this car should last quite a while. Overall the Passat is a pretty nice car. Car_Man Host Smart Shoppers / FWI Message Boards |
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The reason that I made that blanket statement is that every Certified Pre-Owned unit counts as a new car for the puposes of APV...Today...if a VW Dealer does not Certify qualifying cars...Less than 5 years old & less than 75K ... It is probably because it cannot be certified...Accident, etc... |
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Well.. There's not enough info here to say yea or nay. Mileage? Color? Location? $20K for a 35K mile one in Puerto Rico is a steal... Equipment? If it has 60K miles its a very bad deal. If it has 20K miles or so, is in a good color (Silver) and has a lot of equipment (Leather, moonroof, automatic), then it can be a very good price. Like VWguild said and beat me to, if its' at a VW dealer and isn't certified, something is quite possibly wrong. If its' at a Toyota, or BMW or Independent dealer, then it obviously can;t be a VW Certified car!  Hope this helps. Bill |
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| If I am not mistaken, doesn't it cost the VW dealer somewhere around $300-400 to certify a car with VW? If that is the case, it seems that the dealer would have to under-allow by that much on a trade value or charge on a retail level, one way or the other. In a very competitive market, this could make things a bit of a difficulty . I can't see that a non-certified used VW from a VW dealership automatically makes it a bad car. Some dealerships would certify a non-certified car at the customer's request (final selling price being factored in). | |
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The trade in value, in California based on Kelley Blue Book guidelines, stays the same, always somewhat back of book...for *CYA*. The procedure for evaluating a trade does not change. In order to *Certify* a VW it has to be thoroughly inspected. If the car has been in an accident, even minor, where *Acme* parts were used to repair; those have to be replaced by genuine VW parts. Additionally, any other repairs or refurbishments have to be done with genuine VW parts...nothing rebuilt. Your number is very close...It costs $300 to Warranty the car, plus whatever work is done. However, and this is the important part, this *Certified Pre-Owned* now carries a 24Month/24,000Mile Bumper to Bumper Warranty( wear & tear excluded ) and 24 Months of free RoadSide Assistance. This runs concurrently with other existing factory coverage. For example, let's take a '99 Passat that has an *In-Service* date of January 3, 1999, and has 32,000 miles on the clock. The individual that buys this Certified Passat will get the aforementioned B2B, RoadSide Assistance, 9.3 Years/ Unlimited miles of Corrosion protection, and 28Months/18,000 Miles of the remaining PowerTrain Warranty...Compare that to the Standard Used Warranty that is 90 DAYS/3000Miles and whatever is left of the attendant factory warranty...in this case 4Months/4000 Miles of a 3/36 Honda, Toyota whatever... Should this *Certified Pre-Owned* carry greater value and a higher price tag than your basic used car? I would hope so... And I am not just blowing my horn here for VW...I believe this to be true regarding any used car purchase. If you want a VW than these are the ones to buy, but if you want a Lexus go to a Lexus dealer and avail yourself of the same opportunity, or MBZ, or Toyota...It doesn't matter. But Certified Pre-Owned are NOT used cars in the traditional sense and will cost more... typically, Retail Kelley Blue Book. And if there is a VW that qualifies, in terms of age & miles, on a VW lot that is NOT Certified; Buyer Beware!!!! |
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That would be ridiculous on many 1-2 year old cars. Some very late model used cars, like 2000 models, have a retail KBB value that is so high that it is around the same price you could buy a brand new version of the same car for. Maybe a car that is difficult to find new, like a PT Cruiser, could realistically command retail KBB value from a desperate buyer who was too impatient to wait for a factory order. |
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The reference to Kelley Retail was a general one, as a *Guideline*; like any suggestion from a 3rd Party that is not actually involved in the Buying or Selling of a car... The gist of the post was to point out the difference between a *Used Car* and a *Certified *Pre-Owned*. |
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I have a dealer offering me $500 over invoice on a GLX Passat wagon (not 4 motion) that I order. This seems like a great deal to me. Is this a good price? I haven't figured out financing yet, but will probably do that on my own. also, any thoughts on the best color with grey leather interior? we're thinking either the blue silver or fresco green. thanks in advance for any comments... |
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Fresco with Grey is most popular at my store...You will also want to make sure that the price you mentioned is an *All Inclusive* one...Based on the general lack of availablity of Variants, $500 seems a bit desperate to me... |
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when you say ALL inclusive, do you mean that I should expect the invoice+500 to include such things as tax and dest fee? other than that, what else would be added since GLX has everything? am I totally off the mark here (which could very well be since I'm pretty much a novice when it comes to car buying)? the only add-on we've discussed is the CD player, since we don't know when in 2002 VW is going to include that as standard equip (very frustrating). dealer quoted me $325 on an in-dash CD... I actually hope that this dealer is desperate -- desperate to get me as customer  as for the color, thanks -- I'm leaning toward fresco, but spouse wants silver-blue. decisions, decisions |
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