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May 12, 2003 (8:08 am)
#556 of 594 I don't think so!!
May 12, 2003 (10:52 am)
"Out the door" means everything I have to pay to drive this car away. Everything.
Now, if you live in one state or county and buy in anoter, don't bring that into the equation because all it does is confuse people.
Most people buy in the state they live in, for the most part, the majority of the time.
#557 of 594 It just wasn't that hard, in my experience
May 12, 2003 (12:24 pm)
Requests for a price quote "out the door not including tax, title, and license" got me plenty enough quotes to work with.
LOL, I did get some "I need more info" replies, too. Some were legit (like about color preferance, for which I had none); others were simply ducking the price request (tranny type on a car available only with manual). It was easy to tell which dealers were trying to haggle and which were just doing business straight.
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- frulip (Nov 11, 2003 2:15 pm)
- frulip (Aug 19, 2003 8:45 am)
- landru2 (Aug 19, 2003 8:55 am)
- rivertown (Aug 19, 2003 9:21 am)
- montanafan (Aug 19, 2003 6:27 pm)
- frulip (Aug 28, 2003 7:28 am)
- rivertown (Aug 28, 2003 8:36 am)
- montanafan (Aug 28, 2003 11:04 am)
- tblazer503 (Aug 29, 2003 8:04 am)
- thkck123 (Sep 29, 2003 10:03 am)
- friendinthebiz (Oct 11, 2003 9:09 am)
- montanafan (Oct 11, 2003 9:55 am)
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- z71bill (Oct 14, 2003 3:47 pm)
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- z71bill (Oct 14, 2003 8:18 pm)
- zueslewis (Oct 14, 2003 8:54 pm)
- tblazer503 (Oct 15, 2003 2:25 am)
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- jlflemmons (Nov 10, 2003 10:06 pm)
- tblazer503 (Nov 11, 2003 2:15 pm)
#558 of 594 Advertising Fee
Nov 11, 2003 (2:15 pm)
#559 of 594 Advertising Fee
Aug 19, 2003 (8:45 am)
Seemed to find a decent sales guy, who agreed to a 500 commission over invoice on a 2003 Tahoe. However he now says a mandatory advertising fee of close to $400 is applicable.
Is this normal or can i have this removed with some firm tactics.
Aug 19, 2003 (8:55 am)
A few things:
Do you know what invoice is?
It sounds like he wants you to pay $900 over invoice. Ask him to show you the invoice and see if the ad fee is included in car's invoice price.
Adding a fee after the final price has been determined (i.e. $26,876, not $500 over invoice.) is dirty pool and shouldn't be accepted.
Everything can be negotiated. If you don't want to pay $900 over (or whatever) then don't.
The $500 over invoice is not "commission." The salesman's commission will generally be a percentage of that $500; likely $75-$100.
Aug 19, 2003 (9:21 am)
I agree with Landru; it sounds like you're getting terms mixed up.
And like your salesman is exploiting the mix-up.
I have no idea what Tahoe's are selling for; but, given that you're buying an '03, I think sticking with your original offer is reasonable. Edmunds shows TMV to be $500-$1000 over published invoice and doesn't adjust 'invoice' for regional ad fees.
I wouldn't get into a discussion of terms, etc. Try something like, "I can pay $XX,XXX.XX plus tax and license fees."
Aug 19, 2003 (6:27 pm)
The salesperson quoted $500 over invoice and that is what he has asked for. The $400 is the difference between what the buyer thinks invoice is and what the actual invoice is. What the buyer needs to know is that the invoice information they have is not accurate. It is missing the $400 advertising fee that is "included" in the invoice price, not "added" to it.
#563 of 594 Advertising Debate
Aug 28, 2003 (7:28 am)
I had him fax me over the invoice and the advertising fee is written in by hand on the bottom for $448.49, as well as $99 in window etching, $131 Motor Vehicle, and $99.75 in Document fees.
I dont mind the etching or obviously the motor vehicle or DOC but I refuse to pay the advertising fee. Anyone disagree and think I am being unreasonable?
Aug 28, 2003 (8:36 am)
It's tough to know - without knowing the car and details on rest of the deal, but
1) regional ad fees are legit
2) this dealer's ad cost can't be confirmed, so the $448. 49 could easily be scam or part scam
3) to introduce the additional charge late in the negotiations is definitely scummy, IMO
Were it me, I'd look at the whole deal to see how it compares to TMV. If you're still at/under TMV and close to invoice and you really like the car, I'd make an all inclusive offer and be prepared to walk if it's not accepted.
If this is the same Tahoe, I think you're still a little high. All in all, you've started/gotten sucked into a losing negotiation by negotiating from invoice, IMO.
So, I'd make a final offer of invoice plus $500-$600 in a dollar figure and walk if the final numbers are any different. It's the end of the month; and the dealer's got holdback contributing to the profit, too.
(The window etch is a scam. The doc fee is pure profit.)