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Re: OK explain this... [joel0622] by oldfarmer50
Jan 23, 2008 (4:59 pm)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Jan 23, 2008 4:47 pm)

"...If your credit is good.."
 
I guess it is. Today when I was talking about rates with my credit union lady I mentioned that my FICO was 790 and I think I heard her gasp. She then approved me for 100% financing of any car I wanted to buy.
 
No wonder people get into money trouble. Lenders just throw money at you.
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Re: OK explain this... [oldfarmer50] by cccompson
Jan 23, 2008 (5:00 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 23, 2008 4:41 pm)

No, there's nothing you've missing here - manufacturers sometimes do things that make little sense.
 
One of the biggest mistakes I ever made was in buying an '02 Chevy Avalanche with zero financing. The truck stickered for 38 something and the purchase price was 32 and change. Without my asking, the dealer said GMAC would finance 40 on it. I should have put the extra 7 plus in my pocket but, no, I was content with just financing the purchase price.
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Re: OK explain this... [cccompson] by dino001
Jan 23, 2008 (8:21 pm)
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Replying to: cccompson (Jan 23, 2008 5:00 pm)

It was a mistake only if you had used that 7 grand on something different than some unnecessary purchase that you wouldn't make otherwise.
 
On the other hand, if not having those 7 grand made you not buy something and wait until saved some money, that was almost as good as taking the 7 grand and putting it into work - with advantage of building equity faster. So - not such a big mistake, after all.
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Re: OK explain this... [dino001] by joel0622
Jan 24, 2008 (6:11 am)
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Replying to: dino001 (Jan 23, 2008 8:21 pm)

Dino, you seem to be on track with this whole investment/money saving gig. Let me ask your advice on the subject.
 
I had people ask me about that allot when we had the 0% for 72 going on. If they had for instance a PIF trade that was worth $10K they would want to know if it would be a good idea to get there trade equity back and put it in a CD/Money Market/etc. They would show me spread sheets on how much they could make on there $10K over the 6 year period.
 
I would tell them that I am not a financial adviser but IMO the only way that made sense is if they were going to keep the car for the full 6 years or at least till they had equity.
 
My train of thought was that if they financed 100% plus the taxes and then came to trade again in a couple years then they would be out of equity. Then they would roll that neg into a new loan at say 6.5% and kind of defeat the purpose. Then it starts the process of rolling a little more each time and before you know it your neg exceeds the original $10K. I would go on to tell them that car buying is not an investment and they should not look at it as a money making proposition in any way, just take the program for what it is worth and enjoy the free money. if they wanted to invest something I would be happy to tell them what there monthly finance charge could have been and they can invest that if they want to.
 
Good advice?
Misguided advice?
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Re: OK explain this... [joel0622] by qbrozen
Jan 24, 2008 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Jan 24, 2008 6:11 am)

well, you are correct IF they roll negative equity. Of course, if they were smart, they would use what they put away and earned interest on to pay off that negative equity if the time came that they wanted to trade .... unless, of course, there was another 0% deal.
 
They don't need to keep the car 6 years, they just need to not roll negative. In other words, if the option is pay $5k down now or take a 0% loan for $5k now and earn interest on your $5k, even if only for the next 2 years, then take that 2nd option!
 
I am always of the opinion that you should take cheap money when it comes your way and use it to the fullest. I have 2 extremely low money factors on 2 cars right now (less than 1% each), while my money sits in a money market earning almost 5%. I could pay off in cash right now ... but why would I?
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Re: OK explain this... [joel0622] by dino001
Jan 24, 2008 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Jan 24, 2008 6:11 am)

I'm with you on that. Negative equity at 0% levered against investments makes sense only if they keep the car long enough to actually take advantage of that interest.
 
There is also a significant risk exposure - larger than they probably realize - if the car gets totaled early, they will end up owing large chunk of cash, so if the investment is not very liquid (CD, real estate) or volatile (stocks), they may end up losing on the deal. Buying Gap against it would of course defeat the whole leverage, so it makes no sense, either.
 
I like to keep things "real". If it's a car loan, it's a car loan, not car plus three trips to the mall. Mixing or levering those things against each other is only good for very disciplined and self-concious people who can say exactly how much money they really have after this "creative accounting" schemes are included. My short experience tells me it is most often done by people who are exact opposite - they don't want to face the truth, because it may mean they are living beyond their means and those levers are done to tell themselves they are smart and obscure the truth from themselves. They build Enron in their own personal finances. Of course, as detective Monk says "I may be wrong - but I'm not".
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Re: OK explain this... [qbrozen] by dino001
Jan 24, 2008 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 24, 2008 7:44 am)

money market earning almost 5%.
 
Enjoy it while it lasts - not for long. After this cut it will be "almost 4%", soon enough (more cuts) - "almost 3%", etc.
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Re: OK explain this... [dino001] by qbrozen
Jan 24, 2008 (10:13 am)
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Replying to: dino001 (Jan 24, 2008 8:40 am)

yeah, I know it won't last.
But, heck, its been lasting way longer than I originally thought, so its all just icing.
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Upcoming Honda CR-V Incentives by kokopuffs
Jan 28, 2008 (3:56 am)
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Does anyone know if Honda is going to have any CR-V incentives in the next few months? I've seen that they have lease incentives and finance incentives on all but the CR-V. I'm in the market for an EX-L, but would prefer to wait until some incentive - preferably financing, is offered. I asked at the dealership this weekend and got the "well we have terriffic deals anyway". Thanks, but no thanks
 
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Upcoming Honda CR-V Incentives [kokopuffs] by dtownfb
Jan 28, 2008 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: kokopuffs (Jan 28, 2008 3:56 am)

Generally the sales people won't know about incentives until the day before they take affect. Honda on ly uses incentives if they need to move cars. I guess you can check the sales of the CR-V compared to last year. If they are slower then maybe Honda will initiate special financing to move them.

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