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#51 of 2084 Re resale by hondafriek Feb 10, 2001 (3:34 pm)
Rob.I do not argue about the cost of the acura or the warranty, although I believe In Canada that warranty for the Acura and Subaru are the same, but I will dispute that the Acura has higher resale than the Subaru I have been In the market for a used Subaru for a while and given the very high price for a used I am now leaning towards straining my budget and buying new and after participating here for months I have come to the conclusion that the resale on used Subarus in the states is just as high.2nd thing other than the cost comparison you cannot really compare the Sube and the Acura they completely different Vehicles do not get me wrong they are both great cars but in my humble opinion I think the sube wins this comparison hands down for pure overall utility you can haul lots of stuff in great comfort in just about any kind of weather what more could anyone want, also I see Fitzgerald is selling LL beans and VDC at invoice I think you would have trouble getting Audi or Volvo at invoice.   Cheers Pat.
#52 of 2084 VDC Questions by gotenks243 Feb 10, 2001 (7:58 pm)
I'll answer these from what I know from riding in and driving my dad's VDC...   "1. Does the automatic temperature control work well, i.e. does it regulate the temp nicely?   It seems to work very well, from what I've seen. Of course, I've rarely been in the car when it's started cold after being off all night, so I can't really give you a thorough answer.   "2. What is your opinion of wind noise, i.e. is it bothersome at 65 mph?"   Nope, not to me. A lot of extra sound insulation is provided with the McIntosh sound system, and it lowers noise over the already low levels in the other outbacks. Besides, if you have that sound system going, you can't hear wind anyway...much less anything else.   "3. Have you heard any rattles, especially in the dashboard, moonroof/sunroof, etc?"   Nope.   "4. As the VDC is considered slightly overpriced, do any of you regret not going to an Audi Quattro or Volvo Wagon?"   I still don't think it's overpriced at all. By the time you put comparable features/engines on an Audi, BMW, or a Volvo, the Subaru can be $10,000 or more cheaper. Volvo Cross Country (AWD) with leather, climate control, heated seats, premium sound? Easily over $40,000. Lexus RX300, smaller, less comfortable, bad sound system, and by the time you put AWD on there, high $30ks.   I still don't know why people keep complaining about the price. Even over cheaper Subes, it's reasonable. LLBean for $29k...by the time you put climate control, auto-dimming mirror, etc. on a regular OB LTD, you aren't paying that much more for the 6. VDC, $3k more for the Variable Torque Distrobution AWD and the most superb factory-installed sound system I've ever heard. It really isn't that bad.   "5. Is the comfort of the seat sustained for a 250-300 mile trip?"   I haven't been on one that long, but so far I have enjoyed the seat comfort.   "6. Are you happy with the quality control on the vehicle, i.e. fit and finish, lack of mechanical problems, etc."   Absolutely. The only problem my dad has had so far was that the Cruise Control was a little sluggish, and that was fixed in no time. Another one sold at the same dealer hasn't had any problems either. Very very nice.   Mike
#53 of 2084 What's new in 02? by djstewart Feb 10, 2001 (10:42 pm)
Does anyone know when details about the 2002 Outback H-6 will be available? Wondering whether there are likely to be any changes (like non-Firestone tires or losing the gold wheels).
#54 of 2084 2002 Models by gotenks243 Feb 11, 2001 (8:44 am)
I doubt the 2002's will be in until Summer. June, July, maybe as late as August. That's about the same time the 2001 Outbacks came out last year, so it seems right.   As for changes, I doubt there'll be many, and I doubt the tires and wheels will be changed. There's absolutely no reason to change those tires anyway. They're not a victim of the other Firestone problems for one, plus they really are excellent riding and handling tires. Too bad they're too big for replacement tires on my '97 OB...   Mike
#55 of 2084 Comments on the VDC by robnis Feb 11, 2001 (1:29 pm)
Hondafriek (Pat), Thanks for your thoughts. Great to hear that FitzGerald is selling them at invoice. Pleasantly surprised to hear that the Subaru resale value is right up there with the TL. Yes, they are entirely different vehicles. That is part of my personal debate. IMO, the TL: gives a sportier drive, has a more luxurious nameplate, and is quicker. OTO the VDC is much more practical with its hauling capability, great in the snow/wet, and probably cheaper to maintain over the long haul. I am faced with a tough decision.   Gotenks243 I appreciated your insight as well. I was quoting theline from the pulp magazines that the VDC is overpriced. One has to agree that there is a lot of technology in the vehicle.   I hope that others who own/drive the VDC or L L Bean will offer comments relative to my post #50.
#56 of 2084 Prices dropping/recession ??? by crawdadking Feb 11, 2001 (3:02 pm)
Hi all, I am new to the board but have enjoyed reading your comments. I've just about decided to replace our '91 Accord EX wagon with an LL Bean. The main thing I want to say is that in the month we have been looking we have actually seen the prices dropping every week. The latest ad from Thomason Subaru in Portland, OR. lists $ LLBeans with MSRP of $30,920 for $27,388. I called to verify this Sat and the still had 2 Wintergreen and 1 Winestone available. I specifically asked exactly what they had as listed options and was told they had 6 disc in dash changer, spoiler, floormats, and upgraded sec sys. A week ago the best price I could find for the same exact thing was $28,045 from Bub Clary Subaru in Longwiew, Wa. I live 35 miles from Longview, so would like to do business with them. They now say they will match Thomasons price. Anyway just thought that might be of some interest to someone. BTW it seems there is no shortage of LTDS or LLBEANS. Not so sure about the VDOas I am not interested in that model.
#57 of 2084 There are... by rsholland Feb 11, 2001 (6:24 pm)
strong rumors that the H-6 will make it into the Outback sedan for '02. Another good possibility is the Legacy GT Limited.   Bob
#58 of 2084 test drove one...Sweeeeet by kem1 Feb 12, 2001 (4:10 pm)
I test drove an LL Bean this weekend. It was sweeeet! (keep in mind I'm comparing it to my '94 Jeep Cherokee). The engine was very smooth and quiet! I had a hard time even telling if the engine was on while standing next to the hood. I tested it on a steep highway hill that my current Jeep, with a V-6, has to be floored to accelerate up. The Subaru took it very nicely! I had to look at the speedomoter to see that I was already going 70mph just halfway up the hill.   Now if they would just put the H6 in a 'non-premium' package...   crawdadking: I really want an LL Bean, but I'm waiting until this summer. With the mini-recession, and more competion for the Bean coming (Toyota Highlander, Isuzu Axiom, and Jeep Liberty), I'm fairly confident that I could get Invoice price plus destination charge and 4.9% financing for 60 months by the end of the summer. Don't get me wrong, there are days I want a new car NOW, but if I wait until summer I'm sure I'll save myself a few thousand dollars.
#59 of 2084 You may be right kem1 by crawdadking Feb 12, 2001 (7:43 pm)
#60 of 2084 First Impressions by kkelleher Feb 13, 2001 (4:30 am)
Hi guys...I picked up my VDC two weeks ago. First impressions are all positive. I was driving a Durango (don't get me started...) and the difference is night and day. So far, very happy with the fit & finish. It goes plenty fast and handles very well. I want to get a set of snow tires for it, but finding 16" steel wheels is impossible. Should I surrender and get alloys? Thanks to everyone for all their posts about this car. All the input was greatly appreciated!   Kevin

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