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Subaru Legacy, Subaru Outback, Wagon
Nov 08, 2003 (6:02 am)
I just brought my 1997 Legacy Outback to the dealer for an oil change. The car has 83,000 and just over the last week ,I noticed some small oil stains on the driveway.
The dealers recommendations--Norwood Subaru in Ma., are:
Oil pumpseal leaks $359
Both valve cover gaskets leak oil $397
PCV Plate/Rear mainseal leaks oil $680
Both frt axles outer boots dry cracked $550
This from a car that was serviced regularly and had no previous problems. Does this sound reasonable and if I do go through with the repairs, are the prices fair and is the engine likely to experience these problems again?
Any advice would be appreciated.
#9287 of 11746 thoughts for mjw1948
Nov 08, 2003 (8:51 am)
You're looking at 2K of repairs - how long do you plan on keeping the car? If the answer is a long time sounds like you'd want to get the repairs made.
But: $400 for valve cover gaskets sounds ridiculous - I'd shop the price, either with another dealer or an independent. Those aren't Subaru rocket science. I would think it would be less than 1 hr per cover - in fact the crash book for an 03 6 cylinder shows it at 0.8 hr per. So $80 x 2 hrs + cost of gaskets - $60 per set = 220.00. That makes $359 sound kind of high, esp for a 4 cyl.
Someone like juice or idahodoug, or paisan would have a better idea on the oil pump and PVC seal leaks. I haven't had to do one of those myself so can't even guess...
If the boots are cracked and dry but not cracked all the way through you could douse them with some kind of plastic/rubber treatment to hold off replacing them. If they're cracked all the way through on the other hand, you might want to check on getting new or rebuilt L/R axle assy's. He's charging about enough for those anyway.
Just a thought.
#9288 of 11746 AC/Defrost
Nov 10, 2003 (8:09 am)
Another thing to keep in mind is that if you are driving along with the defroster running on a cold morning, it is amazing how quickly your breath will fog up the windshield.
Nov 10, 2003 (8:12 am)
Doesn't sound like they traced the leak to one source. They are taking educated guesses at what it might be, but fixing everything that it could be. That gets needlessly expensive IMHO.
Get her up on ramps, crawl under there. Get a handy friend to help if you can.
OK, if you see oil on the front of the block, it's the O-ring, oil pump seal. $359 or less. Consider doing your timing belt if you have not already, since you've just paid for half the labor.
If you see stains at the outer edges of the block, the very outer edges, that's probably the valve cover gasket. Still, you could only do the side that needs it. So $200 or so, $400 for both if you wanted to.
Rear mainseal would be on the back of the block, again check there. $680, mostly because access is tough, this is a lot of labor.
The boots? You can visually inspect them, see if they still flex. If they have little cracks go ahead and change them.
Ask me why.
Because our 626 boot cracked and leaked grease all over the wheel well. That shorted out the O2 sensor. So we had 2 big bills instead of 1.
The boot was $220 IIRC, one side, and the oxygen sensor was very costly, $500 plus.
Any how, trace the problem to the one, true source, and I think you'll get it fixed for a couple hundred.
#9290 of 11746 aircon / defrost
Nov 10, 2003 (4:06 pm)
I wasn't looking to be convinced that the aircon coming on when the heater control is in the defrost mode is a good thing. From long experience and a large number of vehicles it isn't! If I want to dehumidify I can switch on the aircon. The way it is set up at the moment is a nuisance and doesn't help with getting the windshield clear as soon as possible.
sebbery, what automatic system do you have that enables the A/C to be switched off in the defrost mode - full climate control?
#9291 of 11746 Average life of a 96 Transmission?
Nov 10, 2003 (4:51 pm)
I have been dealing with a leak in the front differential of my '96 Legacy Outback 2.5 L and couldn't help but wonder how much longer before I can expect to have my transmission replaced/rebuilt. Currently I have 29 K miles with mostly highway/rural driving. The tranny is currently working fine. I am trying to decide whether to get a rebuild since the tranny comes off anyhow to replace the leaking seals. The dealer estimate is $1000 to do the seal job whereas it would be $2.5K to $3K for a rebuilt tranny from an independent. I expect to put a good 10 to 15K on it over the next year or so with a cross country road trip to Alaska planned. My main concern is reliability of the transmission over the next 15K miles on the road away from home. So can I reasonably expect my transmission to hold out that long?
Nov 10, 2003 (5:16 pm)
Is that a typo? 29k miles on a '96?
FWIW, my '96 OBW w/ AT had 128k miles when I traded it. Never had any transmission problems except for binding in slow speed turns (possible worn extension housing, clutch pack or duty-c solenoid).
Nov 10, 2003 (9:26 pm)
Yes, I have the auto climate system in the H6
Nov 11, 2003 (4:03 am)
Can't imagine there could be anything wrong mechanically with a 29k mile tranny. ALthough seals may fail due to age, lack of use, old lubrication, etc., the tranny itself should be fine.
Nov 11, 2003 (7:12 am)
I agree. I would not worry unless you meant 129k miles, or at least 89k miles...