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#7016 of 11746 Legacy/Outback - why used ?
Dec 11, 2002 (2:53 pm)
Cdndriver: Why fuss over spending $24-26k on some used Legacy/Outback when the '03 Forester 2.5x (huge inside the drivers area)goes in Canada at list of $29k with full kit and automatic. Save $1K if you want to shift but forget residuals later. Lease deal at Subaru Canada is better than most these days. Same 165HP as Legacy but lighter weight means better performance than with Legacy/Outback body. I'll bet you can knock another $1k or more off list price easily, try it, the wife did and loves her Forester.Any Japanese car up to three years old is too expensive to buy used in Canada. We also have 1995 Subaru Legacy in our family still rolling along, routine maintenance is all it's had, truly a value buy. Waterloo
Dec 11, 2002 (2:56 pm)
Before I bought my subaru, I was toying with an idea of buying a car in Canada, since purchase price would be considerably less. My question was and still is what would be freight and customs charges afterwards?
#7018 of 11746 Outback and Snow Tires
Dec 11, 2002 (4:54 pm)
I just bought a 2003 Outback that comes with the standard Potenza tires that are rated All Season (M+S). I live in California and am wondering if these tiers meet the classification for "4WD/AWD with snow tires" when the chain control requirements are posted? Or do I need to get proper snow tires?
Also, is it ok to use tire chains with an Outback?
#7019 of 11746 Snow tires
Dec 11, 2002 (5:58 pm)
all seasons, M & S rated are NOT snow tires, what the CA DOT classifies as a snowtire I have no clue but industry standards for a true snow or more accurately "winter" tire today requires it meets a specific severe weather test which entitles the manufacturer to stamp the snowflake/mountain logo on the side.
M & S rated actually means squat except that there is an industry definition that the contact patch is 25% empty (or maybe it was 20), it doesn't actually measure performance in snow or mud! Its a throwback to several decades ago when there were non radial tires and tread design science was close to non existent.
All season has no formal definition though it usually means the rubber compound is neither a summer performance type or a winter one!
dude- most manufacturers will not honor warranty on cars brought across canadian border.
#7020 of 11746 b10609 and dude
Dec 11, 2002 (7:20 pm)
Your point is well taken. I prefer the legacy, but my wife and daughter went nuts over a sort of gold/copper Forester at the dealership. thanks for the ideas, I'll check out the rates.
Cars in Canada have slightly different glass and a few other little things that you'd need to get checked out. The best way to find out customs, duty, etc., is to just phone US Customs, or find them on the web. There's probably a FAQ section that covers everything you need to know on it. My car rental friend tells me that they sell lots of theri fleet cars in the States after they pull them out of service. So I know it's possible. We can't bring US cars up here though because of the glass, etc.. Not to mention the price.
Dec 11, 2002 (7:42 pm)
Different Glass??? That's the first time I've heard about it...How is it different?
#7022 of 11746 All season tires
Dec 11, 2002 (7:44 pm)
Has any one used or know anything about the Nokian NRW tires. They are made in Finland and have the All Season snow flake and mountain symbol. Thanks
#7023 of 11746 Mike (Nokian Tires)
Dec 11, 2002 (8:18 pm)
Check out the November 2002 issue of Consumer Reports for a full rundown on Winter tires (including the Hakkapelitta NRW). It rated at the top of the pack for snow traction, but fell down in general wet weather performance. It is a tradeoff that might suit your needs well.
I moved a bit further up their list to the Dunlop WinterSport M2, trading a bit of snow grip for ice traction and general overall handling. So far, I am pleased with my decision....
#7024 of 11746 Buying in Canada
Dec 11, 2002 (8:35 pm)
More for Dude: Importing a Canadian car to US can lead to some interesting problems. Canadian spec for the speedometer poses the first problem when you sit behind the wheel, it's metric not good old MPH !Also the distance on odometer is KM not miles. I'm not aware of glass issue (cdndriver) but it wouldn't surprise me either if spec varies on Canadian version. Another novel unrelated example: If you see a new T-Bird coming at you with blanks where the fog lamps are usually placed - you're looking at a Canadian spec version. Something to do with regulations & lighting specs on our roads. Warranty is usually okay if you're dealing with originating Candian dealer and live near the border but not much good otherwise. More for cdndriver: My wife saw the same colour yours saw (sorry Dude, color in US - another difference in Canada) and liked it, too. She went with Cayenne Red/Tan interior combo in the end - beware some colours are tied to the grey interior which is pretty plain/dark looking. -Waterloo
#7025 of 11746 Nokian Tires -- Hi Steve!
Dec 11, 2002 (9:24 pm)
Boy, this is weird! I've been off the boards for the last couple of months and am just beginning to check back in. Hi Steve!
I didn't bother with winter tires last year as the Potenzas were new and the weather was mild, but winter tires were in the plan for this year. The only question was studded or not? My 32 mile commute to work is against traffic on the hilly Putnam county section of the Taconic. The NYS DOT does its best, but the main effort during storms is always in the other direction. I've been caught more than once in ice storms on I-84 or the Taconic and it's a white knuckle experience at best. Last Thursday's snow with a thin underlayer of ice put a stop to the debate -- studs. So this afternoon SueBee was equipped with a set of Nokian Hakkapolitta 2's (her birthday present -- she turns 1 tomorrow). Nokian has just started offering the Hakk 2's in the US, so it was hard to get much info about them online -- I don't read Finnish, Russian, Swedish or Norwegian. The tires are factory studded and the dealer likes the Nokian line over the Blizzaks and Alpins. (Incidently CR got their Nokians for the tire test at this dealer). They made very quick work of the icy conditions on the way home. I almost took a joyride back up the Taconic just to see what they could do on real ice!