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Subaru Legacy, Subaru Outback, Wagon
Dec 05, 2002 (9:16 pm)
The 2003 Legacy has not changed significantly since 2000. I doubt if very many GM parts have been adapted to Legacies ... yet.
I'm very happy with my 2000 Legacy L, now with about 55k trouble-free miles. Why didn't I buy a Toyota or something else? I wanted an AWD sedan and Audi A4s have no rear seat legroom (not to mention high prices)!
#6980 of 11746 GM and such
Dec 06, 2002 (4:42 am)
The older subies <96 were of a much higher build quality/feature rich than the current roundup. They were also higher priced comparatively. I would not be suprised if there is some Delphi electronic components used in the Legacy/Outback line, but I wouldn't let that stop me from buying one. My cousin has a 2000 Outback, no problems in 40K miles. My dad has a 97 legacy L 95K miles no major problems. My uncle has a 97 Outback 60K miles no problems. I had an '88 XT6 that turned 90K miles w/o a problem before I sold it. My '91 XT6 only had some minor problems at 130K miles it had been in an accident before I bought it at 100K miles and was severely mis-treated. I recently bought my aunt's '92 SVX with 70K miles and it has been flawless. Out of the same factory where they make Legacies, I also owned a '97 Isuzu Rodeo with Delphi Electronics and a Harrison Radiator (both Harrison and Delphi are somehow related to GM) and I didn't have any problems on that with 120K "paisan" miles on it which included offroading and other such niceties. I abused it a lot and it kept going. So I wouldn't be concerned even if there was some GM content like radiators and/or electronics in the car, it's the tolerances of the build IMHO that make all the difference. -mike
#6981 of 11746 Sube Quality - More on FHI
Dec 06, 2002 (5:25 am)
I'm approaching the 30k mark on my 2001 Outback. Have had no mechanical problems whatsoever and the car is still a delight to drive.
I thought I read somewhere that the highly-touted GM Duramax diesel was based on an Isuzu engine design. (Isuzu is another Fuji Heavy Industries company). Can anyone confirm this?
Dec 06, 2002 (5:27 am)
Big companies generally do not buy smaller companies to force their components in, but to learn from the smaller company. I am sure GM wanted access to AWD and other technologies. All of the Subaru engineering is in Japan; there will be no impact from GM.
Concerning long term reliability, I have always followed Consumer Reports data closely as I believe it is the most statistically accurate information available. Subaru's long term reliability has been increasing, not decreasing, based on newer models. It is in the same range, although slightly lower, than Toyota and Honda.
It does not appear that the initial quality numbers are as good, but that is primarily a measure of quality control at manufacturing plants and dealerships. These can be annoying but do not reflect on long term reliability.
Dec 06, 2002 (5:43 am)
Isuzu isn't part of FHI, but the Duramax Diesel engine IS an Isuzu engine. Basically DMax is the consumer arm of Isuzu Diesel Engines. Isuzu's main business is Med-Duty Box Trucks. GM re-badges them and sells them here. Isuzu has an extensive knowledge of Diesel engines (Honda CRV in europe uses an Isuzu Diesel) The Duramax is a great engine. Toyota may start putting Duramax engines in their Pickups and SUVs in 2004.
Dec 06, 2002 (6:20 am)
Thanks for the confirmation (and clarification) of the Isuzu info.
Dec 06, 2002 (8:35 am)
I have a '98 Forester, and our '02 Legacy is actually more refined, has a tighter structure, and is very well assembled. It's more quiet and refined, mostly. A little heavier, though. But I'm sure the 2003 Forester is nicer than mine.
If you like the '03, go for it. I think the SE package is a steal, I'd get it today.
Dec 06, 2002 (12:41 pm)
I would love to have a good excuse to go buy a new Forester. I really like them.
Dec 06, 2002 (2:10 pm)
In June a turbo should arrive. That's as good an excuse as any!
#6988 of 11746 Headroom and Snowy Central PA
Dec 06, 2002 (2:24 pm)
I started out looking at an '03 L Sedan with the SE package...but did not care for the lack of a seat hight adjustment. I am only about 5'10", but my hair did scrape the headliner. The manual height adjuster in my '97 GT was great...I don't understand why Subaru didn't adapt this to the SE package. It wouldn't cost that much. I ended up with an '02 GT Limited with a power seat. I will have to try that tilt feature though...I have never been able to get the back of the seat bottom down far enough.
I found a neat trick though last week...don't know if this would work in wagons though. I took the headrest off of the passenger seat, moved it all the way forward, and reclined the back. It adjusts to be perfectly level with the back seat, and allowed me to stuff five dining room chairs into the car! The last two fit into the trunk. I couldn't believe it! I was 200 miles from home, and stumbled onto the chairs in an antique store, and was so glad to be able to get them all home. Who needs an Outback for hauling?? LOL
We got our first heavy snow here in Central PA yesterday...and my GT got me through slick roads and covered parking lots with ease. I went from my '97 GT to a '99 Buick Century and back to the '02 GT Limited. I forgot how nice it is to not have to shovel the driveway!