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#5179 of 11746 Subaru Legacy TS
Apr 03, 2002 (6:30 pm)
I have a 1993 Legacy TS wagon, well, thats what it is called down here anyway. Its a 2.0ltr, 5 speed manual, normally aspirated wagon.
I've just spent a fortune re-doing all the power steering and brakes etc and I'm wondering what other things I can do to make the car faster, handle better. Is the mode one that I can do anythine to, will it sustain a different engine etc etc, or am I just wasting my time thinking about it ?
Thanks in advance...
Apr 03, 2002 (7:53 pm)
we don't know all the changes for '03 yet. They may(?) also have those suspension changes too. Juice and I both saw the '03s at the NY auto show yesterday.
#5181 of 11746 '03 GT
Apr 04, 2002 (7:30 am)
Juice posted that the new GT's are going to have VTD AWD and a shiftronic. Would someone compare and contrast VTD, regular AWD, and VDC. Thanks Jack.
#5182 of 11746 VTD comparo
Apr 04, 2002 (7:45 am)
VTD: Has a torque split (from start) of 45/55 and uses a planetary gear combined with elecronically controlled clutch plates to transfer torque between the front and rear axles. Cannot vary power from left to right side of a given axle. Weight sensors to sense F<->R weight shifts and ECU to "learn" when to shift power F<->R
VDC: VTD + uses throttle and brake controls to shift power left to right on a given axle and prevent skids. In '02 models there is an "off" switch for the VDC portion up to 30mph.
Std AWD on AutoTranny: 80/20 torque split that can be varied. Electronically controlled clutch pack to vary power F<->R. Weight sensors to sense F<->R weight shifts and ECU to "learn" when to shift power F<->R.
Manual Transmission: Viscous Center Coupling, 50/50 torque split. Uses a viscous fluid that transfers power based on variances in axle speeds, always striving to maintain 50/50 split. F<->R power shifts only.
LSD: Limited Slip Differential, employed by some models (All Weather Package Outbacks, Legacy GT, Outback Limited, LL Bean, WRX) in the rear to provide L<->R power shifts based on traction, will move power from a slipping to non slipping wheel in the rear.
#5183 of 11746 VTD cont.
Apr 04, 2002 (7:46 am)
The VDC/VTD and MT AWD systems provide a more even torque split and more of a RWD car feel when driving comared to the more FWD car feel of the Std Automatic Tranny AWD system.
#5184 of 11746 Nice description
Apr 04, 2002 (7:52 am)
Thanks for a nice summary. Making something complicated sound simple enough for basic understanding is difficult.
Apr 04, 2002 (7:58 am)
I'm sure there will be some "more technical" descriptions, but those are the nity grity of the systems in laymans terms.
Apr 04, 2002 (8:55 am)
Chuck: we couldn't tell if the suspension was changed or not. All the Outbacks on the floor were 2003s, so we could not compare them directly.
We asked and the hood was not aluminum, only the Forester and WRX, per their show notes (which they had to help them answer questions).
The Legacy 2.5 GT was indeed leather, thanks to paisan for checking on that. It had the AWP too, a big plus for a line of cars long neglected (Outback seems to get all the attention). Still no map pockets on the back of the front seats like the Outback, though.
So the Legacy gets a lot more than just cosmetic updates. I bet it's more popular this year. With VTD, Shiftronic, leather, and the AWP, it's very appealing.
paisan mentioned, and I hope he's right, that if leather goes on the GT, maybe Subaru is saving the Limited nameplate for an H6. It it keeps the shiftronic, that would be the sweetest model in the entire lineup, IMO.
#5187 of 11746 2003 Subaru Outback
Apr 04, 2002 (8:57 am)
The Australian Subaru website www.subaru.com.au deserves a look. The latest models are on view.
Good views of interior and exterior.
Apr 04, 2002 (9:33 am)
there is no GT Limited, I wonder if there will still be an Outback Limited?