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#4231 of 11746 Sell my 95?buy an 02? Not convinced..HELP!
Jan 19, 2002 (8:37 pm)
Hi all, have enjoyed reading your posts.
Here's my story:
Wife and I bought a Legacy L wagon in 1995. We then lived in upstate NY (now reside in the South)and needed better traction than a 91 Civic SI afforded.
After 6.5 years and 104K miles, we have only put in $400 for repairs other than routine maintanence. Wasted $600+ on that ext warranty. So now that I think the car is into its nickel and dime phase (needs a water pump for ~$450 at dealer), we're looking at buying a new car.
We drove the base Outback with heated, cloth seats and OUCH! What's with the sheet of plywood? It was 30 degrees out and I'm not sure that made them stiffer, but it made us think we needed to move up to a Limited to get the leather. However, now it's $3K more than we want to spend and the seat doesn't feel that much better. Only other issue is the front pass. leg room for me (5'11"). Otherwise, this car rides and feels GREAT!
So now we're looking at a Honda CRV or maybe just going to a Toyota Camry since the AWD isn't important down South... you don't want to drive with Southerners when snow hits the ground!
We are huge Honda fans and allergic to minivans. Subaru treated us extremely well as far as reliability and durability.
With only $2000-$2500 worth in trade-in, I might just enter the second century of miles and pay for the occassional part failure. I just hate to pay dealer repair fees.
What are your thoughts folks?
#4232 of 11746 Get a GT or another L
Jan 19, 2002 (9:54 pm)
The GT price is at least 2 grand less than a OB LTD but more than the base OB. Or get another L which is even less.
#4233 of 11746 Just bought LL Bean H6...
Jan 20, 2002 (6:40 am)
Paid 300 over invoice; I thought invoice was the target, but I guess not. Is this a good price for LL Bean in NJ?
We test drove the H4 and the H6, and actually both felt a bit underpowered, the H6 less so. The Bean interior is what sold us - really quite nice.
Now need to decide on color - timberline or red. Both are great. And, anyone in NJ know of a good window tinting shop?
#4234 of 11746 Replacing your Legacy (?)
Jan 20, 2002 (10:00 am)
Your call about replacing or keeping - I always start in the "keep" position because I can change my mind later - once it's gone - that's it! I tend to look at reliability (if it's a second car, around-town type, this matters less) and the hassle factor of going upside-down (i.e., being faced with an inoperative vehicle where the repairs exceed its value).
If you're looking at a CR-V, let me mention a nice vehicle I came across when I was looking a couple of years ago (ended up with the OB Ltd. Wagon) - the Mazda Tribute. Especially if there is only the two of you - it was peppy, fairly inexpensive, nicely appointed - and I believe it came in a 2WD and 4WD configuration. Mazdas have a pretty good reliability rep, too, but I haven't followed this vehicle - you might want an update from CR or Edmunds.
Depending upon where you are "down South" - you might want a beach-capable vehicle.
Ken in Seattle
Jan 20, 2002 (2:01 pm)
You can usually get within $100-150 of invoice or so on the Bean. The lowest price I found on the internet was at www.fitzmall.com, which was around $100 over. A nearby dealer was able to match that price for me, and I was happy. To be honest, I don't split hairs as long as they get $100 within the ballpark and there are no hidden costs or fees. Fighting over $100-200 on a $30K car is a little too nitpicky for me. I was already saving almost $3000 over MSRP, which is good enough. The only other vehicle I looked at -- Acura MDX -- was going for MSRP+, with no deals.
My previous Outback was Timberline Green, and I started out wanting a different color just for a change. I really liked Regatta Red, but wasn't sure if it was something I would be happy with long term. In the end, I went with Timberline again (shows you how exciting I am). Regatta Red and Timberline Green are equally nice colors in my opinion, so it will have to come down to your personal preference. I don't think you can go wrong with either choice.
#4236 of 11746 frameless windows - Peter
Jan 20, 2002 (4:29 pm)
I personally do not like them but didn't let that stop me from buying an Outback. With our Toyota, you can just grab anything and push the door shut. If you do the same, you need to, IMHO, get into the habit of not shutting the door by pushing on the window.
Also, a couple of times I have almost caught my head on the edge of the window when mucking around with the car. You don't quite notice the window edge the same as a framed door.
Jan 20, 2002 (7:09 pm)
Tom: true, but it hurts less!
Even with my 1300psi pressure washer I use cannot make the frameless doors on my Forester leak. My Miata does, but only slightly.
I tend to use cruise control only on long trips, so I actually try to vary the position of my feet so they don't get fatigued.
Jetson: our 626 has reached the nickel-and-dime phase, too, but for us it's more like quarters-and-half-dollars. I say keep your loyal friend a little longer, then shop the L and GT models.
Tribute had 6 recalls or so, and has not been reliable per CR. Both Mazda and Honda have short, 3 year warranties. Subaru, Toyota, and Nissan are up to 5/60 on the powertrain, if you want to avoid the nickel-and-dime thing for a couple more years.
aps5: when you are that close to invoice, it's a good price. The key is how you felt treated by the dealer IMHO.
#4238 of 11746 Engine power of base outback with auto?
Jan 21, 2002 (5:11 am)
What's the general consensus of the 4 cyl auto Outback? I'm coming from a Saab with 185 hp turbo and am curious to hear people's impression of this engine. Too underpowered or is it sufficient? (I still need to get to the dealer to test drive it, but as the dealer is too far from the highway, it will be difficult to get a good realworld experience.)
Jan 21, 2002 (6:50 am)
(the following is just my observations)
The 4EAT can be conservative at times, but it's an adaptive transmission. So, if you drive it like a grandma, it'll shift sooner (and at lower rpms), causing it to feel underpowered at times.
The manual does let you control the engine better, and therefore is probably quicker than the 4EAT.
Our AT Outback has been great. I too thought it might be underpowered coming from a 350 V8, but I was pleasantly surprised. While it's no WRX, it's sufficient for us.
You should test drive a manual and an auto when you get to the dealer. Also, have you considered the H6 Outbacks? While only offered in the auto, they provide additional power over the H4.
Jan 21, 2002 (7:26 am)
I would consider the H4/Auto adequate. Lots of low end torque, but, looses some punch at higher revs. If you want to drive aggressively, you need to work the engine (something it enjoys and works happily). The 1-2 shift comes early unless you press the gas. Right now I would say it has been fine for 90% of the time. The other 10% of the time I wish I had more power. The only time I feel I really need more power is when I start moving, get to about 15-20 mph and then floor the gas. The tranny usually doesn't down shift and the engine is in a power lull. Test drive the car and look for these things and let us know your thoughts. Keep in mind that this a bullet proof powertrain, sweet sounding engine and, arguably, the best AWD system around.