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#3623 of 11746 1998 Legacy L Wagon - 85,000 miles - engine light on - wacky sounds...
Dec 09, 2001 (11:06 am)
Please help! I'm taking my '98 legacy into the shop tomorrow - we've pampered this car ever since we bought it in Seattle, and now, in S. Florida (a Subaru no-man's land) we're having difficulty finding the right shop to take care of us. Here's the bottom line - the engine light came on today. starting about four days ago, i heard tinny whirring sounds coincide with revs about 5 minutes after starting - so, I suspect either transmission or differential issues. anybody have similar issues? this could have been caused by driving about 1 mile in roughly 10 inches of water in a recent flood. I couldn't help it - cars were stuck left/right but I made it through - halfway through this drive, though, I heard a very rapid click (sort of like fast machine gun fire) from the back, and then, when I got out of the water, the car felt like it was "hopping" when I did tight corners (you know - hopping like a truck when it's still in 4X4 and all wheels are turning at the same rate) - I'm rambling here, but I'm thinking I'll get quite the bill at the service station if I don't better understand the situation - can anybody chime in here?
Dan - in Naples, Florida
Dec 09, 2001 (11:10 am)
Have the rear diffy fluid changed. My dad had a similar problem in his '97 and the rear diffy was flooded through the breather hoses and the fluid was compromised with water. Try having the fluid changed out and see how that works.
Dec 09, 2001 (12:40 pm)
I have had my car now for ten months and I am completely happy with it, as I said in a previous post for many years I owned Hondas, so far this is by far the best car I have ever owned.
I just hope in the years to come it is as bulletproof as my Accords were, but so far I have no reason to believe otherwise. I hope you love your car as much as I love mine.
Dec 09, 2001 (3:39 pm)
I just filled up the LL Bean for the first time, and it took 15.25 gal for 367.4 miles of mixed driving (about 70% highway). Gas mileage works out to 24 MPG, which is pretty amazing considering the car is new and the engine is green. This is about the same mileage my 2000 H4/5-spd gets for the same type of driving. It will be interesting to see how the mileage improves as the engine breaks in.
Along with my parents, I am also a former Honda disciple, but have been very impressed by my two Subarus. As I pass my 2000 OB wagon on to my parents (talk about role reversal!), I am looking forward to ushering them into the world of Subaru ownership. I think the Outback will be perfect for my father, who does a lot of kayaking and is always working on projects around the house. The Subaru will be joining their 95 Accord, which has also been a great car.
#3627 of 11746 Subaru model selection
Dec 09, 2001 (3:49 pm)
I have been looking at Subarus for the last month in addition to scoping out the new CRV. Here's my summary so far on the Subarus. I would appreciate any input or suggestions to help make the decision.
First drive: Impreza WRX Wagon 5 speed. Very impressive handling, acceleration (no kidding, I know). Plenty of leg and headroom (I'm, 6'3"). Only problem, the back seat leg room is barely adequate for my 9 year old son.
Second drive: 2001 VDC Wagon. Only one left at the dealership. Again, very impressive, I'm just not going to pay that much. Then I learned that they had in stock.....
Third drive: 2001 LLBean Wagon in the color I want. The only problem I have is that with the moonroof, my head is bumping up against the liner. I adjusted the seat all the way back and down and there still wasn't enough head room. I can remedy that by reclining the seat somewhat, but the driving position starts to get ridiculous.
Is the headroom better in the 4 cylinder Outback without the moonroof? Is the traction inferior to the system on the Bean and VDC? Anyone else faced this and ended up with the WRX? Is there sufficient room in back?
Also, all of the Subaru dealers in my area (closest one is 35 minutes away) are hole-in-the-wall type dearlerships. Small buildings, small parts and service departments. The only fairly large one is supposedly having trouble with its banks due to some sort of mismanagement. Any help would be appreciated. As you can probably tell, I would like to end up with a Subaru because of the handling, economy and safety. They just aren't making one that is a "super" fit right now. I don't really want to end up with the CRV, my wife already has one.
Dec 09, 2001 (4:27 pm)
Yes, I believe the front headroom is slightly more without the sunroof. I believe you can raise and lower the seat a bit. Also, the Forester, which you didn't mention, has more headroom than either the Legacy or Impreza.
Dec 09, 2001 (4:43 pm)
Ohiogreg - I'm 6'3" and have the 4 cylinder Outback without the sunroof, I think there is plenty of headroom, probably an inch and a half to spare, thats one of the reasons I didn't get a more upscale model. Depending on how you are built, legroom might be an issue. Take a long test drive.
Pdubois - I wouldn't think a mechanic would modify a seat either. I would either do it my self (I like playing around with my welder and torch) or I would have a shop make up the parts for me. Looking at the seat today (I didn't take it off) it looks like it has a ton of travel, it probably just needs some new attachment rails made up that would mount the whole thing a few inches further back. I wouldn't think that would affect safety to much.
I did a speedo check with my GPS today and found that mine is reading from 2-3mph fast (75-speedo, 72 GPS). 2mph at about 35 and 3mph at about 75. Closer than I thought it would be, the car is so stable at 75 that it seems like the speedo has to be way off.
#3630 of 11746 ohiogreg - and Bob
Dec 09, 2001 (10:39 pm)
If the rear legroom in the WRX was inadequate, the back seat of the Forester certainly won't be big enough either - my 10 year old son will vouch for that. Of course, he's already 105 lbs, size 8 shoes, and shoulder high to me, but it was a deciding factor when debating OB vs. Forester purchase. My OB has no moonroof, I like to sit as high as possible, and with the seat adjusted all the way up, I don't touch the headliner. Granted, I'm only 5-11, but perhaps the info is still helpful.
Dec 09, 2001 (11:59 pm)
The Forester's got enough headroom to wear a chef's hat (it seems.) Also hole-in-the-wall dealerships don't have to be bad, I bought and serviced my car at a one-car showroom kind of place in NJ, the thing is, it's a very busy place with long-standing reputation.
Good luck finding the Subie you like! Subies are great.
#3632 of 11746 2002 Outback Limited
Dec 10, 2001 (4:38 am)
Two weeks ago, I purchased an Outback Limited after extensive research and contemplation. I considered the sporty Forester, but not enough room for my family. Outback is perfect size and V4 is certainly enough power for me!
After getting the car home, I realized the passenger door was not closing correctly, so I took it back to the dealer (Stohlman Subaru in Tysons Corner, VA) and they adjusted the window for me. I got the car home and checked it for dings, and didn't see any. The next day, I noticed a four-inch scratch on the rear bumper. I called the dealer and insisted I only drove the car home and they told me they would fix it that it probably happened there. Poetic justice.
Stohlman Subaru matched FitzMall's price and I got to do a no-haggle deal over the internet, which made it easier. I recommend them (just make sure all of the doors close properly.)
I have been a loyal Honda owner. Hope my Subaru will be as reliable as my Hondas have been. So far, I am happy with my decision. This message board helped me with my decision.