Last post on Dec 06, 2011 at 12:51 PM
You are in the Subaru Legacy & Outback
What is this discussion about?
Subaru Legacy, Subaru Outback, Wagon
#11393 of 11746 Re: 2007 Legacy sans Sunroof? [_wraith_]
Oct 19, 2006 (8:21 am)
I contacted Subaru through the e-mail form on their website. They informed me that there are no new 06 or 07 Legacies available without moonroof. (The 2.5i non-special edition found in the Legacy brochure is for fleet sales only.)
Has anyone else found headroom insufficient when looking at new Legacies? I guess I could drive it again and see if I could live with it, look for used 06's, or keep looking at other models.
#11395 of 11746 Re: Chat night [pf_flyer]
Oct 19, 2006 (11:21 am)
I will not be making it tonight, so here is my suggestion regarding reorganizing of the forum:
Do not do it for the "problems" topics! Breaking the topics down into a bunch of microtopics is not going to help anyone find anything easier and will certainly help decrease the participation in active discussions. I can see perhaps creating topics like "Subaru Accessories" or something for asking questions or finding info about cross bars, carriers, towing, etc., and then "Tires" for the annual "which is the best tire?" questions, but when it comes to discussing and diagnosing problems, a one-size-fits-all gets the job done because everyone knows where to look - if you have a problem, go here, and those who have answers, suggestions, etc., can check in regularly to easily monitor the activity.
That is my opinion, but I know Edmunds is hell-bent on destroying the user-friendliness of these forums, so let come what may... and let go who may.
#11396 of 11746 Re: Chat night [pf_flyer]
Oct 19, 2006 (3:33 pm)
I won't be around for the chat tonight, but I would like to add that the recent recategorization of these topics has made it very frustrating to quickly see the latest posts. Do we really need 20 separate topics for each model? Before, I could simply bring up the Subaru forums and see all the latest posts for each car and the layout seemed quite intuitive. Now, I would have to click on each individual topic for each model (tires, nav, climate control, etc). There are simply WAY too many topics now to quickly navigate.
How hard was it to just do a search within a specific forum to find what you need? If you have a Tribeca and have a question on the NAV, it seemed pretty easy before just to go to the Tribeca forum, search on NAV, and read the posts. This seems to be a major step backwards for the forums.
#11397 of 11746 Re: 1993 Subaru legacy... [acoronis]
Oct 29, 2006 (10:55 am)
Hi, we have a '96 Outback and have just experienced the same problem...did you ever find a solution? Thanks T
#11398 of 11746 Re: 1993 Subaru legacy... [crosstheborder]
Oct 30, 2006 (11:57 am)
Will you describe the problem a little more? When does it tend to happen... after several hours of being parked, or just a few minutes after?
I may be able to help you out on this one with some specifics.....
#11399 of 11746 Re: 1993 Subaru legacy... [crosstheborder]
Oct 30, 2006 (12:18 pm)
Nope, haven't gotten it fixed yet.
#11400 of 11746 Re: 1993 Subaru legacy... [xwesx]
Oct 30, 2006 (12:20 pm)
I parked, it was in park for about 5 seconds and then died. I had to have it towed, replaced the fuel filter because most people that listened to it said it sounded like it wasn't getting gas. It is still not working, because I am saving to get it fixed. But if I knew what was wrong, it would be a lot easier to estimate a cost to fix it. thanks for any help you can give!
#11401 of 11746 Re: 1993 Subaru legacy... [xwesx]
Oct 30, 2006 (7:22 pm)
This is the first time it happened, we drove it home, parked it, it sat for a day and a half and then would not start. We have since pulled out and checked the relays in the engine compartment, we did not put back new ones, the car then started. At this point, we have out fingers crossed that maybe one was loose. What would be your thought? Thanks for answering. T
#11402 of 11746 Re: 1993 Subaru legacy... [crosstheborder]
Oct 31, 2006 (2:06 pm)
Oh boy. Well, both of your situations are different from what I thought might have been a similar issue to the one I once had. T, yours is quite a bit different in that it happened while the car was sitting for a while so it was not warm. The problem acronis described was at least while/just after the vehicle was used, but the fact that it still does not start means something more is wrong than my problem, but it still sounds similar.
Here goes: For acronis, I think it might be a mass airflow sensor failure - meaning it has just went kaput altogether. The part itself is about $350-400 new. I suggest this because my problem, reasonably isolated to the MAS (and has not happened again since it was replaced), showed the following symptoms: The car would stall occasionally while at an idle - sometimes in the driveway or a parking lot, sometimes at an intersection. When attempting to restart, the car would usually not start. I could crank it until the battery died, and nada. But, wait 5 minutes and try again. Sometimes it would start, sometimes not. If not, wait another 5 then try again... repeat until successful. The longest it ever took me was 25 minutes, or 6 attempts. The non-start problem was something different from the MAS, though. It persisted after the stalling problem was (assumedly) fixed and only disappeared after replacing the knock, crank, and camshaft sensors - though an actual failure by any of them was never recorded by a non-start event, so I do not know (with certainty) which was the actual source of the problem. I am inclined to think it was the camshaft sensor.
Basically, though, my understanding about these sensors is thus (perhaps Steve, Craig, or someone more knowledgable about them can chime in if I am off base here!): The timing sensors tell the car when to send spark to the plugs, so if there is a failure there, then no spark or mis-timed spark means no firing. For the MAS, it feeds back information about quantity of air/oxygen entering the intake, so misinformation or no information feedback will cause the car to run too rich or lean. At idle, this effect is most pronounced and can cause the car to stall.
There could be other problems here, like a fuel injection issue or feedback from one of the other systems, but I would think that if spark, fuel, and air were in the cylinders at the same time, it would at least stumble when trying to start. An easy way to check for fuel is to pull the fuel line off the output of the fuel filter and turn the ignition to the "on" position. Route the line to a container, of course, and have a helper to witness, as that fuel pump is going to spray fuel quickly and you only want to turn it on for a moment before shutting off. If there is no fuel, you know the issue is with the fuel pump!
Those are my thoughts, hopefully you can dig through them and find something helpful.