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#10653 of 11746 Rollover rating (Outback)
Apr 02, 2005 (10:03 pm)
I'm surprised to see that the rollover rating for the 2004 Honda Pilot is only 15%. How can this be the same as the Subaru Outback, which is a station wagon. I was considering the Outback because I was assuming it had a smaller chance to rollover.
My other favorite was the Subaru Forester, but the rollover rating is even higher (16%).
You can check these numbers at the government web page:
I feel a little bit deceived, because the salesperson I visited here at the Fields Erthel dealer here in Cincinnati told me with great pride that the Outback had a lower chance to rollover than SUVs.
Maybe somebody will be able to explain me these rating numbers.
#10654 of 11746 Re: Black paint feedback [surrfurtom]
Apr 03, 2005 (4:55 am)
Thank you for your input, alas the dealer could not locate a black legacy for me.
However, I am the proud owner of regal blue pearl.
#10655 of 11746 Re: Rollover rating (Outback) [pichula99]
Apr 03, 2005 (5:30 am)
told me with great pride that the Outback had a lower chance to rollover than SUVs.
Did the salesperson inform you that the Outback is also an SUV?
As for the ratings, they use a formula to determine rollover. Although the Outback isn't as tall as the Pilot, it is narrower so the center of gravity is probably pretty similar.
#10656 of 11746 Re: Rollover rating (Outback) [robr2]
Apr 03, 2005 (7:02 am)
Thanks for the reply.
I'm appending a response I got from the Honda Pilot message board, in case you're interested:
You have to take the NHTSA rollover ratings with a grain of salt. There are two components to the test: a dynamic test that actually tests a moving vehicle, but the score is only pass/fail, and a purely static measurement of the height of the center of gravity which produces those percentages.
In the dynamic test, the vehicle is put through some maneuvers to see if it will tip its swheels. The test is done at specific speeds and is a pass/fail, based on whether the vehicle tips or not. It isn't done at progressively higher speeds to see if one vehicle is more likely to tip sooner than the other.
In the static test, the height of the center of gravity is measured versus the width of the vehicle's track. From this, the percentage probability of rollover is computed.
The Pilot benefits from having a very wide track, which does help stability and, on paper, helps reduce rollovers. I believe the Outback suffers because it has even higher ground clearance than the Pilot and is significantly narrower.
The problem with the NHTSA test is that with just a pass/fail test with a moving vehicle, it doesn't factor in enough of vehicle dynamics. E.g. in the pass/fail maneuver, one vehicle could well have been precariously close to tipping but just made it, while the other vehicle was rock-solid and could have been going 20 mph faster without a tip.
Nevertheless, the Pilot and its MDX brother both do very well in these tests.
#10657 of 11746 Re: Rollover rating (Outback) [pichula99]
Apr 03, 2005 (8:11 am)
From my experience, it'll take alot to tip an Outback...
it practically has to be tripped to roll.
#10658 of 11746 Re: Rollover rating (Outback) [hypov]
Apr 03, 2005 (8:24 pm)
Yeah, same here. I have seen a couple Outbacks rolled over, but they were both 100% driver error. One of the drivers thought it would be fun to take a 15 mph (downhill slope!) icy corner at 30.... I am not sure if the car rolled or landed on its roof at the bottom of the embankment, but driver walked away without a scratch. Bummer, really, but at least it gave me more confidence in the car.
The other one was a driver on glazed ice roads using a cruise control at 65 mph. He lost control and went into the ditch (about 10 inches of heavy snow with large rocks) but over-corrected to get back onto the road. At a nearly-perpendicular, 50 mph slide, the car "tripped (as Dave put it)" on a rock and flipped on its roof (but did not roll, just flipped) and slid to a stop in the ditch. This time, the man nearly severed his thumb because the driver's window shattered on another rock as it flipped, but his wife (front passenger seat) was fine, if not a bit rattled.
#10659 of 11746 Rollover ratings - for 2004 and earlier
Apr 04, 2005 (7:14 am)
They testeda a 2004 outback, so that doesn't apply to the new 2005. It has more clearance and a wider track so who knows how the new one will rate.
The data is outdated already.
#10660 of 11746 Re: Rollover ratings - for 2004 and earlier [ateixeira]
Apr 04, 2005 (8:15 pm)
You're right, I checked the dimensions for 2005 and they are different, the car is wider. Sorry for my ignorance but could you tell me what do you mean with "clearance"?And also, does the track refers to the separation of the wheels?
P.S. I sent you the question also in the Forester message board, but the moderator said he's going to delete my message so I'm trying to ask you here.
Apr 05, 2005 (7:13 am)
Basically the distance between the ground and the lowest part of the undercarriage.
The 2005s got a slight lift.
That hurts the rollover rating in theory, but then they moved the engine down to lower the center of gravity. They also use aluminum for the hood, tailgate, and roof rails. Putting lighter materials up high also lowers the center of gravity.
So my guess is the Outback will do better next time they evaluate it.