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#5 of 413 why the Allroad is a pretend SUV by bollinger Aug 06, 2000 (10:41 pm)
Clearance is great, and the articulation on the Allroad is decent. However, without real diff locks, you can't do real offroading without overheating and heavily wearing the brakes. Once again, who cares? It's a fake SUV, so what? Most people are fake SUV drivers. I think the Allroad is wonderful and perfect for the market. It just isn't a true offroad vehicle. The name describes it well, it's good for all roads, even poor ones. Offroad is a different story.
#6 of 413 Allroad specs by jordanh Aug 07, 2000 (3:07 pm)
I was going to buy the A6, but thought it too sluggish. When I heard that the Allroad was coming out with the 2.7T I thought all my problems were solved. However, I do still have a few questions that dealers haven't been able to answer. 1) Will the bigger engine be counteracted by the heavier suspension? In other words - will I get just as much pep from the regular 2.8 A6? 2) Is the interior space the same as the A6? I don't fit in some wagons (the smaller Volvo for instance) and want to make sure there is as much interior room in the front and back before I plunk down a deposit. 3) What are we talking dollar-wise? 4) Is it possible to get any bargaining leverage (Edmunds 3% over invoice rule) when you are on a waiting list for a new model? Seems like they have all the bargaining chips. 5) Should I be fearful about buying a car the first year it is released? Thanks as always, Jordan
#7 of 413 by aling Aug 07, 2000 (5:25 pm)
Well, IMHO, the Allroad is not a "fake SUV" because it is a hybrid wagon, much like the Volvo XC and Subaru Outback. Since Allroad is actually the A6 wagon, which has been out for a couple of years already, I wouldn't worry too much about reliability.
#8 of 413 some answers by bollinger Aug 08, 2000 (5:40 am)
1, yes the heavier car cuts down on the speed of the Allroad somewhat. Still quite a bit faster than the 2.8 Avant though. Looking at low to mid 7's versus the 2.7Ts low to mid 6's and the 2.8's high 8's. 2, same interior space as A6 3, I forget, go to Audi's website. I think about $45K. 4, no, not a chance. If you are on the waitlist for the car, you pay MSRP or very slightly less (like $500). 5, it isn't a first year car by a long shot. Only the suspension is new. Engine is 18 months tested, A6 in general 3 years tested.
#9 of 413 Audi allroad looks great by bgkanne Aug 08, 2000 (7:53 pm)
A magazine comparison test with the 6 cylinder version of the X5 is in order! Why can't Audi get power out of their V6's without resulting to using turbos?
#10 of 413 Audi V6 power by bollinger Aug 09, 2000 (2:14 am)
Audi's 2.8L V6 produces 193HP in the A4, 200 in the A6. BMW's 2.8L V6 produces 193HP. Where's the deficit? The new 3.0L BMW engine produces 225HP, although it isn't a very powerful 225HP, it performs significantly worse than the old 240HP M3 engine, despite similar ratings. The new Audi 3.0L engine that comes around next year is expected to produce 225HP. I think your assertion that Audi doesn't get enough power out of their 6-cyls is incorrect.
#11 of 413 air struts are expensive to replace by mr_quag Aug 09, 2000 (4:49 am)
Keep in mind that air struts are expensive to replace if they fail. And failure to air struts are common with the pre 1994 Subarus. Jeff
#12 of 413 hmm, seems that a new all-road thread is started... by beanboy Aug 09, 2000 (5:34 am)
There's another one buried that started when the car first appeared in the mags on the show circuit. Saddened that the latest review states that the low-range option with the manual won't be available in the states, the skid plates are a riot in terms of actually protecting anything, and it weighs too much (over 4000 pounds!). As Jeff mentioned, I'm scared what kinda shape the suspension will be in 10 years down the road. I'm gonna pull an F-Body and say a Soobie with careful mods will be superior in performance on paper, and save you some money to boot. Still, not a bad compromise. Audi not have an SUV in the works? Finally, A4 version would be interesting... Maybe in a performance/rally version perhaps? -Beanboy
#13 of 413 beanboy by bollinger Aug 09, 2000 (5:50 pm)
I'm sure a Subaru could be make to perform better. But most people aren't buying Audi's for the performance, Audi already proved that. A Subaru with all the mods in the world isn't going to have an Audi interior or quietness. Don't get me wrong, I love Subarus. Audi SUV: bite your tongue. VW and Porsche get the VAG SUV's. I say good for them. VW probably could make a go of it, and the Porsche version will tank so fast it won't hurt them too much. As to an A4 version being interesting? Have you been asleep? The S4 Avant has been available in Europe for quite some time. It has the 2.7T engine (but with 265HP) in an A4 Avant (wagon) body with a better suspension. The S4 Avant comes to the US this year, quite soon really. In Europe they have the RS4, which is available as an Avant (wagon) only. It is an S4 Avant with a super-tweaked 2.7T engine producing 380HP. It is the fastest wagon available In Europe. The RS4 is not coming here. Both of these cars seem to fit your description of an "A4 version" of the Allroad, except for the suspension, which you don't seem very hot on anyway. Audi's rally car seems to remain the S3. Rally cars do seem to get a lot of gain from being very small, so that makes sense. The S3 is essentially a VW Golf with a TT drivetrain making "only" 215HP.
#14 of 413 It's results not the ratings by bgkanne Aug 09, 2000 (6:56 pm)
It isn't the power ratings, it's the acceleration numbers and performance feel. For example, a current 328i (or now 330i) will run rings around all of the 4 series Audi's except the S4. Non turbo Audi's are usually mentioned as not performing very well. I suspect it is due to the quattro systems causing additional drag, but the cars are excellent regardless!

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