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#61 of 3121 1999 OBS pricing by bustanutt Oct 19, 1999 (6:51 pm)
-ryanjill Have you tried something like www.dealernet.com to see if they list any inventory closer to you?? I like your accounting re 99 vs 2000 except that if you plan to put on a lot of milage - that would effectively lower the $1,300 difference a bit, no?
#62 of 3121 1999 OBS pricing by ryanjill Oct 19, 1999 (8:20 pm)
-bustanutt Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, dealernet is turning up null results when asked to search for 1999 OBS, though I can look up individual dealers' inventory. I'd been searching my area the slow and tedious way, with Subaru's dealer locator, concluding there weren't any other 1999 5 spds in Michigan listed in the internet inventory, and that 2000 5 spds are also in short supply (and mostly seem to be silver, whereas I'd prefer red). But dealernet has given me a lead on at least one other local 5 spd from a dealer whose URL is screwed up at Subaru's dealer locator site - so thanks! I'm a low mileage driver, so I didn't take high mileage into account. Adjusting for inflation (vs. present value) would also reduce that $1300. It was just a ballpark way to try to "impose some structure on the problem" as my stats profs say to try to see at what price(s) the 1999 is clearly a better deal than the 2000.
#63 of 3121 1999 OBS Rebate/Incentive by jmg48 Oct 20, 1999 (8:20 am)
Hi...there've been several references here to Subaru dealer incentives and customer rebates in the past few weeks, but I haven't been able to find any concrete info online about them. Can someone point me toward a source? I'm shopping inthe Maryland/Virginia area, looking at 1999 Outback Sports...a quick posting would be really appreciated...I'm on a limited timeframe. Thanks...
#64 of 3121 1999 OBS Rebate/Incentive by bustanutt Oct 20, 1999 (7:05 pm)
-jmg48 check edmunds home page - or even autobytel - My current understanding is $850 on 99 obs - but it seems that it's either rebate OR incentive depending where you live - I have heard but can't confirm there may be both or some combination. Also look through some of the Subaru threads, I thought I saw something about people getting Foresters in MD and they sounded happy - good luck -ryanjill I hope that one works out - the other thing I've noticed in dealernet is that you sometimes have to put in just impreza vs impreza wagon to get all the listings...also they seem to have links to some dealer pages that seem faster than suby's locator... continued success!
#65 of 3121 1999 OBS Rebate/Incentive by ryanjill Oct 21, 1999 (2:48 am)
Car Deals Vol 9, Number 20, October 13, 1999 lists only $750 for this model to customer or dealer, varying by region or model. The organization I paid for this info, which probably wouldn't like me posting it here and so shall remain nameless, noted that CarDeals can pick up about 80-90% of incentives, capturing most national deals, but not all the regional offers. The organization also said not to worry about dealers lying about customer rebates, although they probably will avoid revealing their factory incentives. I also e-mailed Subaru directly to ask if there was a customer rebate in Michigan; they answered that they're not doing any financing or rebates directly to customers on this model and that I'd have to check with individual dealers. It sounds like there's no way of getting at regional discount information directly, but several sources recommend getting at it indirectly by faxing multiple dealers. The ones getting special incentives tied to region or sales levels will presumably offer you lower prices, assuming of course, that you've demonstrated in the fax that you know the real cost of the vehicle and the options you want.
#66 of 3121 1999 OBS Reb/Inc by bustanutt Oct 21, 1999 (8:54 pm)
-ryanjil You (we?) just don't seem to get any breaks I found carsmart through snap.com yesterday, they seemed to say $500 reb or $500 inc... I may just go 97 used... Anyone else with thoughts, experiences, better luck??
#67 of 3121 1999 OBS pricing by ryanjill Oct 22, 1999 (3:03 am)
-bustanutt No, just more bad news. Talked to the Michigan dealer today; he says they sold the 1999 for $1200 off STICKER, i.e., they convinced someone to pay $18,1 (a thousand more than his last offer to me!). So the dealership made $600 over invoice + the $750 dealer incentive. Eastern Pennsylvania looks to have a bigger supply of 1999s than Michigan or Ohio (although only few have cruise control -- why?). Anyone have an idea whether dealers are more eager to deal there? Northwest has cybersavers to Harrisburg this weekend, but the price would have to be really good to make it worth the hassle -- definitely below $16,5!
#68 of 3121 Wow.... by ramon Oct 22, 1999 (2:05 pm)
It seems like the 99s are snapped up pretty quick eh? I guess it's you guys who are facing the competition and not the other day around. 18,100 for a 99 models is quite steep. Hmm....do you really need cuirse control? Is it auto you're looking for? I picked mine up in May for 23000 Canadian loonies. It was cheap then. It was going for about 24,500 MSRP then. Why don't you want a MY00 ones? You don't like the wings?
#69 of 3121 any good news out there? by bustanutt Oct 23, 1999 (6:23 pm)
-ryanjill sorry for delay - but I have an idea - can we sell suby's in Michigan - sounds like way to get rich!! I saw one msg about Philly area dealers allegedly "giving away" what's on lot (99s)... a friend told me same New Hampshire - but their invoice price doesn't jive with anything on the net... I would recommend serious online or phone negotiating before taking the flight... good luck -ramon   thanks for suggestions- but what is loony worth in usd?? I prefer 99's for rebate/incentive.
#70 of 3121 good news by ryanjill Oct 24, 1999 (12:46 am)
-ramon MY00 spoilers are fine, but you have to understand that my Car Talk carmascope placed me on the cheap side of frugal. When I read that the MY00 changes were mostly cosmetic, not mechanical, that made me think the 1999s would be good bargain hunting territory for essentially the same car. -bustanutt And don't lose hope, bustanutt -- today all the research into dealer inventories paid off for me! I bought a 1999 5 spd in Ohio with cruise control, foglamps, and keyless entry for $16,4, minus another $200 for my 15-year-old Toyota, to come out at $16,2. A comparable 2000 would invoice at $17,5, and I don't think many dealers would accept less than $300 over that amount, particularly since 2000 5 speeds are also in short supply in my state. I e-mailed the Fleet Manager at La Riche Subaru in Findlay Thursday night saying I was ready to buy a 1999 with cruise control from the Subaru dealer who gave me the best price; I laid out invoice & MSRP, destination & totals, and said I knew there was 2% holdback, $750 dealer incentive and that I expected the price to reflect this plus the fact that cruise was now standard on the 2000s and the 1999 would suffer more depreciation as soon as I drove it off the lot. He called me Friday; we bargained for about 20 minutes and agreed on the price; I drove down this morning and picked it up. They were great -- all the paperwork was in order, exactly as we had agreed over the phone. I think they just really wanted to move the car this month; it wasn't a matter of huge local supply since I could only locate 2 1999 5 speeds in northern Ohio. For my own peace of mind, I've decided the Oregon coup (i.e., paying $15,3) must have been the result of a dealership marketing strategy to advertise & sell one car at a phenomenally low rate to pull other buyers in -- very hard for a consumer to replicate without being in the area to see the ad and being the first one through the door after it runs! Now I'm ready to switch gears and worry about picking car cleaners & waxes, which I never bothered to do for my poor Toyota. Any advice?

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