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Subaru Impreza, Subaru Outback, Wagon
Sep 23, 2003 (11:56 am)
TS=Impreza 2.5 TS, OBS=Impreza Outback Sport. If you go to the Subaru website (subaru.ca) it shows what the differences are between them. Same body & mechanicals but the OBS has more equipment. The price didn't change for 2004 on the TS, it's still $22,995, same as 2003.
Just noticed that you're also from London. Have you talked to anyone at the dealer here yet? If not, if you call or go in, ask for John. Just signed on my OBS and I was happy with the way things went.
Sep 23, 2003 (12:27 pm)
Dan: thanks for the suggestion. I didn't get the armrest extension but it might be a future upgrade depending on how it goes. Sometimes armrests get in the way of shifting--not sure how big the Subaru one is.
PA's a good state to visit. I know the area from Williamsport east and south to Phila pretty well. Sure would be nice to have that ferry, I agree.
I'll definitely share my impressions when I get the car. My dealer didn't have a five-speed OBS so I haven't even driven one yet, just the TS.
Sep 23, 2003 (11:44 pm)
Thankyou for helping me out,,,yes I will see John at the dealer,I have been planning to stop in when I have time to get more educated on Subaru and the available financing.
I was also thinking maybe I should lease then buyout the car later,,,not sure if there is a catch there though you know.
I wonder if anyone knows about this stuff enough to give me some advice on purchasing an 03 or 04 Impreza TS?
Congrats on your new ride by the way,,what colour did you get?
Sep 24, 2003 (7:04 am)
I got silver, but the Impreza wagon also looks good in this really sharp blue they have for 2004. I have some pictures I took of the different colours and the blue stands out.
Re financing, I don't think Sube of London has any 03s left, since the 04s have been out since the spring. I started out by thinking I'd buy a TS (instead of lease the OBS) so I have all the prices, financing/leasing info and the official accessory list so let me know if you want any specific info.
The catch of leasing, then buying at the end, is that you end up paying more for the car than if you'd just bought it in the first place. If you plan to keep the car more than three years, it's generally better to buy it. Financing on the TS right now is 3.8% (vs 6.8% on a lease).
Sep 24, 2003 (10:09 am)
Thankyou cbmorton,,,yeah I will definetly finance,I looked into this further.I didn't realize all the improvements over the 03 model,,I am better off with an 04 for the same price.I noticed an engine block heater is optional.Do you know if this is a dealer installed item?I definetly want that!
However,does Subaru enter their new cars in spring each year?Maybe they will have a bit more horse power and new hub caps or something for 2005 you know.I thought maybe I can stretch my Probe GT out a bit longer until at least spring,,that might be an idea.
Have fun with your car dude!You should tint the windows..
PS-That blue colour you said was that the colour that looks kind of purple?I saw one TS on the lot with that colour last week parked in front of the showroom.
Sep 24, 2003 (10:46 am)
Correct me if I'm wrong,,,don't you guys think the Impreza TS wagon is a steal for the price compared to cars like the Pontiac Sunfire and Ford Focus???
I'm kind of amazed the more I look into this!It's got All Wheel Drive too..
Have a good day everyone,safe driving...
Sep 24, 2003 (11:32 am)
It's a dealer-installed accessory. The 04 Impreza price list shows it's about $35 + installation. You can also add alloy wheels, ground effects kits, spoilers, fog lights, audio components, etc. The accessory list is 3.5 pages so you can customize as much as you can afford.
Not sure about the blue colour you saw--there's a different blue for 2004 and it's kind of an electric blue, although it might have some purple in it, I didn't look too closely. That would have been my second choice.
Subaru probably will have the 2005s out in the spring but even if that's April that's still 7 months away. I could have waited until the spring myself but I figured if I was getting an AWD car anyway I may as well have it for the winter. Looking forward to trying it out in the snow.
Sep 25, 2003 (5:15 am)
Since you said a couple weeks ago that you wanted to get the Probe paid off, if you can do it by spring or so, you could get a nice end-of-year 2004 at that point. Say May or June or so. I can see it now, you KNOW it's the smart thing to wait a bit, but the other part says NEW CAR!!! Must have!! Tough internal battle, isn't it? <g>
Yes, Impreza is TONS better than a Sunfire or Focus, at least I think so. They shouldn't even be considered competitors.
As to the lease vs. buy thing, there are some great articles in Edmunds under the Tips and Advice, as well as the Ownership section. They will really help you understand the pros and cons of leasing vs. buying. For several reasons, I'm leasing my 2004 OBS. Will I keep it longer than the 3 year lease? I just might, but I like having the option of just bringing it back and getting something else. Since my previous vehicle was leased, if I had wanted to purchase the OBS, I would have needed quite a bit down to avoid being "upside-down" on the new car. It pretty much forced me to lease, because of that. Not that I'm complaining, but there are clearly pros and cons to it. Do some study this winter, since you have the time. Read everything here on leasing and purchasing decisions. As to models, the 04 has so many improvements over the 03 that it was a no-brainer to me after I did my homework. Take a stop to that local dealer that Brent mentioned and do some test driving. Also, check out the Forester. Same platform, but they serve different needs. Might be worth considering.
#2301 of 3121 Impreza TS vs Focus
Sep 25, 2003 (7:15 am)
I know I'm going to gain a lot of enemies with this, but what the hack ...
Unless the AWD is an absolute must, I'd think a little bit more about TS vs Focus. I've recently had a chance to spend some time in both (as a passenger). There are some things to consider. Interior - Impreza is small cramped and veerryyy cheap inside. And that one pathetic cup holder in front of cooling fan, what's that. Its interior is poorer than most of equally/less priced cars. Focus is bigger and nicer inside (to the limit of its price class).
I've just checked a Canadian Ford's site, comparably equipped Focus (5 door hatchback) with the traction control (which isn't AWD but gives you some edge there) will cost you at least $3000 less, not to mention way more room to negotiate and likely better financing.
It's believed that Subaru is more reliable than Ford. Now, it's up to you to decide how much reliability can be bought with $3000+. Worth mentioning, Focus comes with weaker engine and, consequently, better fuel mileage.
Block heater is usually dealer installed accessory in Canada and will cost you around $225 unless you negotiate it better. It should also give you an idea how much everything else is going to cost afterwards.
Before everybody gets on me for the above, I should mention that this is purely my feeling after sitiing in both vehicles. And, yes, I'm driving Subaru (Forester). So if you wnat to argue, don't argue with me, argue with the facts.
Sep 25, 2003 (9:15 am)
On the facts front, the price spread between the base Focus ZX5 and the Impreza TS is $1,435. And as I posted above, the block heater costs $35.91 plus installation (one hour's labour). I've found that dealers out west tend to include the heater as part of some sort of winter or severe weather package, but in Ontario it's an inexpensive a la carte item.
Opinion-wise, I've actually driven a few Focuses and although they always impress me with their handling and ride, I always come away disappointed with the interior design and quality of materials. The Impreza is no Audi either, but I personally wouldn't place the Focus above it. The Ford is certainly bigger inside but the Impreza is far from cramped for me at 5'10". Best way to see what you think and how you fit is to try them both out. You can literally see Highbury Ford from Sube of London so that should be easy to do.
Subkid is right that you need to decide if you're willing to spend extra money to get AWD, because one thing everyone can agree on is that there are other good small FWD cars out there worth considering.