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Re: Inside the distributor. Lots of fun! [listerine] by listerine
Oct 20, 2009 (9:19 am)
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Replying to: listerine (Oct 14, 2009 4:12 pm)

Well, cleaning out the distributor didn't help. Once I had it apart, I discovered there wasn't much oil in there anyway. I'm guessing you had a lot in yours. I then got to wondering if a quick visual inspection with just the distributor cap off would have told me right away if cleaning was even worth trying.
 
Anyway, live and learn. I guess now, unless anyone has any other ideas, I'm going to buy a used distributor from the junk yard. I'd like to try replacing the little black chip on the side of the distributor first, but I don't suspect they sell those separately.
 
Any ideas appreciated as the ol' landlord is starting to get on me to get 'er gone.
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Re: Inside the distributor. Lots of fun! [listerine] by 91323vic
Oct 20, 2009 (5:11 pm)
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Replying to: listerine (Oct 20, 2009 9:19 am)

i figure the posts before could have answered your question rebuild the dist place in the slot, lineup power stroke in 1st pot to markers put a screwdriver in the first pot for reference sake,the dis cap stay`s off, the coil wire( using insulate long nose pliers) and rotor button should be 3to4mm away from each other, with ign on, then twist the dist in the hole until elec fires this will indicate exactly where your dist is suppose to be and number ones post from there the firing order will be1342 elect junction on top,indicator on collar should be nearly in line with no.1post a pencil away,if you didn`t get a spark between the coil and rotor button,check coil near a earthed part of the body,look for cracks in the rotor see if the transfer carbon post is in the dist cap is there, if any problem take to auto elect,and get it bench tested and take coil too hope that help you 91323
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Re: Inside the distributor. Lots of fun! [91323vic] by 91323vic
Oct 20, 2009 (5:26 pm)
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Replying to: 91323vic (Oct 20, 2009 5:11 pm)

and that anti clock wise firing order, from the top position,it should literally sit at the very top of the slot and only needs fine tuning, keep starting to check off,advancement with rev rate at 2000, put the plug back in before spark test i forgot to mention that, helps the elect continuity,you`ll never get it, if you dont, it will read dead,no spark .
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Re: Inside the distributor. Lots of fun! [listerine] by girlcarbuilder
Oct 23, 2009 (10:47 am)
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Replying to: listerine (Oct 20, 2009 9:19 am)

Okay....lets recheck a few things. First, take your timing light and check each plug wire for a spark. Also check the coil wire. Take your stethoscope and check each fuel injector for a clicking noise. Do these tests while someone is cranking the engine. No spark and no clicking means we have something going wrong from distributor pickup, the black module with wires attached, to and possibly including the ECU. If you get both a spark and clicking noise then those systems are working and we are dealing with timing the ignition system correctly. If you get spark and no clicking or clicking and no spark, let me know asap.
 
If you do not have these tools, they are a must to fix this. Harbor Freight again.
 
Bear with me, doing the Vulcan mind meld with a 20 year old 323 is a bit rough long distance.....but it will not be the first I fixed that way. Hopefully it will not be the first not fixed.
 
How far away are you from Baton Rouge, LA?
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Re: Inside the distributor. Lots of fun! [girlcarbuilder] by listerine
Oct 23, 2009 (12:24 pm)
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Replying to: girlcarbuilder (Oct 23, 2009 10:47 am)

Okay, I will gather the tools together and recheck those things. In the meantime, I'll just reiterate from my first post that I was getting a weak spark. I didn't use a timing light, just the standard tests of the plugs, wires, etc, against the block. (By the way, the plugs, plug wires, dist cap, and rotor are all brand new.) Never checked the injectors - will give those a listen.
 
I live in Minnesota.
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Re: Inside the distributor. Lots of fun! [listerine] by 91323vic
Oct 23, 2009 (5:16 pm)
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Replying to: listerine (Oct 23, 2009 12:24 pm)

or you can feed each pot,some fuel like a full choke, thru the spark holes put them back connect spark plug: wires in and crank, admittedly not the done thing, but this is another method to check off air meter and elect continuity,instant result, or not,i was scratching my head first up with the very same problems, just a simple wires, cap, and air meter filter replacement, just note how much you regulate in each pot,10ml-15mm is adequate, to vaporize. 91323
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Re: Inside the distributor. Lots of fun! [91323vic] by listerine
Oct 25, 2009 (1:16 pm)
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Replying to: 91323vic (Oct 23, 2009 5:16 pm)

Well, I replaced the distributor yesterday with one from the junkyard (since it had already been ordered), but still no start. If I understand 91323vic's instructions from a previous post, I should try rotating the distributor while someone else turns it over? Or just with the ignition in the ON position? Or should I just verify the timing right now before doing anything else?
 
RE 91323vic's post above: Is he saying I should try spraying a little starter fluid in the cylinders and see what happens when it turns over? Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I can fill in the gaps because I'm having a little trouble understanding him.
 
girlcarlbuilder: Going to try borrowing a timing light from Autozone (and bring my old distributor in for a bench test while I'm there.) Once I have that, and a stethoscope from the surplus store, and a friend to turn it over, I'll try your tests next. 91323vic's tests caught my attention simply because I don't have the tools you mention.
 
Thanks for everyone's patience and advice. Obviously, my knowledge of automechanics is limited. I understand basically what timing is and why it's fundamental, but I've never had a timing issue on a vehicle before. It occurred to me in the beginning that the timing could be off here, but so many other posts pointed to the distributor. Frankly, I just didn't know what the proper order of operations was after seeing the weak spark at the plug.
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Re: Inside the distributor. Lots of fun! [listerine] by 91323vic
Oct 25, 2009 (3:12 pm)
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Replying to: listerine (Oct 25, 2009 1:16 pm)

okay line up timing marks on motor, under drivers side wheel, so take off wheel,and cover,the screw driver tell firing stroke,because there is exhaust stroke and fire stroke, take cap off grab coil wire with ign on and twist dist this should if in the right place snap elect current for first pot it you have it right,it could be a petrol problem because you can now see spark drop 10 ml of petrol in each pot this will start it but not run for long it will tell you that your timing is correct check fuses check fuel pump
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Re: Inside the distributor. Lots of fun! [listerine] by 91323vic
Oct 25, 2009 (3:14 pm)
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Replying to: listerine (Oct 25, 2009 1:16 pm)

weak spark is fine at least you have it
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Re: Inside the distributor. Lots of fun! [91323vic] by 91323vic
Oct 25, 2009 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: 91323vic (Oct 25, 2009 3:12 pm)

do not touch coil wire with rotor button or it will weld together keep a pencil thickness away secondly the power stroke is the lowest stroke in the pot the exhaust stroke is the highest that`s why you need the screwdriver to show you this, if your setting to exhaust stroke your petrol its exiting to exhaust i found that when it started a plume for 3mins of the fuel((and don`t crank with ign)) turn with hand while screwdrivers in pot.91323vici am soory i didn`t get with your program sooner i figured you were in good hands, follow these methods i got my up and running

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