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Toyota Celica, Coupe, Hatchback
#985 of 1560 Celica Wish List
Apr 08, 2003 (5:55 am)
I have a 2000 GTS with approximately 50K miles. If Toyota is listening here is how I would suggest updating it so that it is competitive with the other cars in its class (Acura, WRX, etc.).
First: Do something about the transmission so you can make clean down shifts. An autocrosser this car isn't.
Second: I would much prefer a 2.0 liter engine that made 160 HP with a 7000 RPM red line but that made a reasonably flat 160 ft/lbs between 4000 and 7000 RPM.
What was Toyota thinking when they put such a peaky engine with a transmission that can't be shifted???? If either the Subaru or Acura were available (or Honda made the Civic Si look half decent) when I was in the market, I would have never bought the Celica. I've almost decided to take the depreciation hit and go looking again.
#986 of 1560 Wish List
Apr 08, 2003 (7:09 am)
I have an 01 GT-S with about 30K miles. I haven't had any problems shifting, especially down-shifting. I could maybe complain a little that 1st and 2nd gear ratios are a little to far apart to easily keep the engine in the sweet spot. But other than that, I think the tranny is great and wouldn't change a thing. What exactly is happening during your down-shifts that you don't like?
Just my opinion here, but I would hope they don't change the engine. If you want a flat broad power band, maybe they could boost the GT. I love the Dr. Jekyl & Mr. Hyde personality of the GT-S. Under normal city driving I never need that higher output from 6000+ rpms, I need the good gas mileage you get with the lower output. But, if Toyota were to invest in engine upgrades, I'd keep the 1.8L displacement and put in some lighter parts (Ti) so the redline could be 9000 rpms, like the S2000. Then they'd have a perfect engine (for me at least).
Not that I don't have any complaints that I'd love them to revamp for the next generation. The seats should wrap around more for better lateral support. It would be great if there was and inch or two more head room without raising the outside roof line (I'd love to sit more upright without opening the sunroof for my head!). Redesign the outside body from the middle back, the front half of the car looks great but I can't stand the second half (almost like they had two design teams, front team and back team). Finally, how about giving the GT the 16" wheels and the GT-S 17" as standard equipment.
Just my $.02....
#987 of 1560 Reply to O1R1
Apr 08, 2003 (8:25 am)
I agree with your view of the styling, if you mean the rear quarters. The actual back is fine. The rear quarters would look much better and give more "open-ness" to the interior if the window line was straight from the front to rear windows instead of sloping up. (Also, it would be great if manufacturers standardized front headlights as was the case when you could buy a headlight anywhere for a few bucks instead of only from the manufacturer at $300 a pop. I had conversion Halogen
headlights in a number of my earlier cars that were only about $50 a pair and worked great.)I also would like to see a strip on the sides to protect against parking lot dings.
As for the transmission, I heard that it was improved slightly after '00 but still is a "bear". I have no real problem with it in normal "street" driving, However, autocrossing is another story. That requires fast, no thinking 1 to 2 and 2 to 1 shifts and that can not be done.
The engine you talk about is not reasonable either from a cost or normal driving point of view. Adding Titanium parts would greatly up the costs and ask S2000 drivers if they would like more torque. As per my proposal, there would be almost no additional cost for manufacturing (ie. re-profiled cams, re-maped electronics) and, if anything, would improve gas mileage - especially if you are not visiting the upper rev range of the engine very often.
#988 of 1560 Reply to wwscc1
Apr 08, 2003 (11:29 am)
Yes, the rear quarter panels are what I was referring to, needs some re-work.
At least the bulbs they are using in the headlights are standardized. But lookout if you have replace the lens assembly, that's expensive. BTW, have you had to replace a fog light bulb, those were a pain to replace.
On the transmission, 1 to 2 works great on mine although I have to slip it a little going into 2nd sometimes to keep the rpm's at or above 6K. I probably haven't done many brisk 2 to 1 shifts so I can't say how it does there. But, I get many 6 to 3 and 5 to 2 shifts when driving a twisty 2-lane and need to pass and it's almost flawless. If I had to nit-pick I would make it harder to hit the R gate area by requiring the lever to be pushed down/in (like S2000) before dropping over to R.
I know, it's not practical to use Ti parts in a car at this price and sure, more torque is always nice. It would be nice if the top end of the VVTLi was a little broader. If they can't maintain reliability and increase the redline, then I'd be happy with them lowering shift-over point down from 6K to 5250-5500 rpm range (which wouldn't cost them anything to produce).
I'm still very happy with handling, this thing can pull some serious lateral G's. Though it becomes unsettled easily on pavement irregularities and such.
The gas mileage has been great, much better than my Prelude before the Celica. I get 29-31mpg around town, lots of stop and go, and 36-38mpg on the highway.
I probably won't replace it with another Celica when this one dies, it's just not that comfortable to me for anything more than a couple of hours of driving.
#989 of 1560 Never again Toyota
Apr 08, 2003 (5:49 pm)
I purchased my '01 Celica GT thinking this was going to be the car that would last me 150k miles with no trouble as long as I was very diligent about the maintenance. Boy was I wrong.
I have a three ring binder with all of my maintenance and warranty repair work in it. All my maintenance was done on time and I'm not that hard on the car, rarely taking it over 80 on the highway or past 5k rpm's.
The Southeast Toyota rep. worked with my local dealer to explain why seemingly overnight, my engine has started to make noticeable clicking sounds timed with the rpm's, especially when the engine is cold. The diagnosis, pre-ignition spark knock - translation ' "We don't know".
I put a summary sheet of my warranty repairs together to show the dealer and rep. My celica has been in the shop for 29 warranty repairs, 18 of them unique and all within 35k miles. I think Toyota has embraced the heinous philosophy of "Value Engineering". For example, the quality of the interior materials is no where near what it was in past generations. I've had more rattles than my cheap old Saturn (piece of junk). I'm driving my car until the engine warranty is up at 50k and dumping the car, probably for a Honda or Subaru.
I can't remember the publication I read this in, but I do remember the ratios which are quite interesting. To paraphrase: For every car Toyota sells, it has four administrative people (accountants, engineers, VP's, etc...). For Honda, that number is two! That means that in order for Toyota to remain competitive, they have to cut costs somewhere and it's showing in their cars! This is why you can get a comparably equipped RSX for less than a Toyota with much better build quality and materials. Sorry Toyota, you had your chance, but I will certainly never buy one again and I let all my freinds and family no about my close friendships with the service department at the dealership!
Apr 13, 2003 (4:02 pm)
Sorry to hear about your bad experience. However, I think it's fair to say that yours was an anomaly. Statistically, most consumer sources list the celica as highly reliable. Sounds like you A) were just really unlucky and B) possibly got stuck with a really sucky or incompetent dealership. Did you look into your state's lemon laws?
I am quite happy with my 2000 GT-S (almost 36,000 miles). Its looks and handling are fabulous, and I generally get excellent fuel mileage. Of course it's not perfect:
1) Biggest problem is visibility, especially the side-rear views. I have my side mirrors adjusted for the blind spots, but I still turn and check everytime I switch lanes. Granted, this is a problem with many cars with swept back styling (350z, focus zx3). It just takes some getting used to.
2) I don't know if they have since fixed this or not, but the stock cd-plyer (JVL?) really sucks. The sound quality is good enough, but the cd player tends to skip at the slightest provocation. Actually it's quite inconsistent. Sometimes I can bounce over brick roads and the cd player will be fine. Other times I'll go over a pebble and the cd will hiccup. Of course most hardcore audiophiles will probably replace the stock system right away anyway.
3) There has been a problem with cold/wet starts that results in an annoying whirring/squealing noise at low rpms. This problem has been identified by Toyota, and there is a TSB out on it. It's caused by a faulty belt tensioner and it affects some 2000 and 2001 celicas. Toyota will fix it for you, and that's all fine and dandy....BUT, the problem comes back. At least for me and a couple of other celica owners I know. I currently have an appointment to get mine serviced again. It's not a serious problem, but it is annoying that it can't be taken care of once and for all.
4) Here's what would be really cool: a factory turbo version of the celica. Maybe throw in AWD too. A lot of third-party vendors have been struggling with turbo kits for the current celica, but I bet TRD could pull off an effective and reliable one.
#991 of 1560 30,000 mile service
Apr 15, 2003 (5:29 pm)
I am just about to hit 30,000 miles on my 2000 Celica and was thinking about getting the 30,000 mile maintenance on it at the Toyota Dealership. Is this a good idea and worth the $?
#992 of 1560 Hi marylax- 30,000 mile service
Apr 15, 2003 (5:41 pm)
If you plug your vehicle into Edmunds Maintenance Guide, you'll find manufacturer-recommended service schedules and costs. Others here may have more to add. Good luck.
Host/Hatchbacks & Wagons
Apr 16, 2003 (6:36 am)
I don't know the cost and that may sway my opinion. (I have 20k on my 2000GTS.) I DO prefer to have my car serviced at Toyota if possible, as I think they tend to know the cars better than local mechanics. Sometimes these services are outrageously priced. And I just might pick and choose the services I want. I go elsewhere for oil changes, filters, tire balance, rotations, etc. If they do tappet adjustments at 30k, I think that may be important, and good for the dealer to do. The fluid checks/topoffs are typically moneymakers. Check your own fluids at $0 cost. Unless one checks periodically, one won't know if there is a brake/steering/other leak, right?
#994 of 1560 one thing is for sure
Apr 16, 2003 (6:42 am)
if you need to have something covered later under warranty, they will not be able to challenge your claim if a Toyota dealer has done all the regular maintenance.
Toyota will charge you $400-500 for this service, depending on the area you live in. It is a lot - an independent will do all the same stuff for 1/3 less $$.